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[Music]

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and welcome back to paranormal now i'm

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your host alan b smith and i have a

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fantastic guest on tonight i'll tell you

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about her in just a minute um as usual

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if you are listening to the inception

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radio network um hopefully you're doing

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so anywhere on your phone or from the

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internet um and you can also call the

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landline number or cell phone number if

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your smartphone or internet um

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connection is not working and that

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fixing to listen to one of the shows and

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you can't get internet access for some

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reason but you have a cell phone that's

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how you can do it and you can also

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listen to the inception radio network on

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roku live 365 stitcher radio nobex radio

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tune in itunes radio stream shoutcast

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very interactive and has lots of fun

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so my guest is actually

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host from the inception radio network

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which i'm happy to have on um you've

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probably heard of her if not i'm glad

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that you are hearing of her now um her

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name is heidi hollis and um she has

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quite the bio i'm gonna go through a

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couple of things here with you just to

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introduce her um heidi hollis is a truth

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seeker of the unknown she is the world's

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foremost expert on shadow people and the

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hatman phenomena and actually gave them

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both their descriptive names in her

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best-selling books the secret war a true

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story about a real alien war and shadow

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people

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circulated in 1997 originally published

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in 2001 and the hat man the true story

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of evil encounters her other acclaimed

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books

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jesus is no joke a true story of an

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unlikely witness who saw jesus and

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picture prayers span a variety of topics

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based on jesus and angel encounters she

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has also authored and drawn a new

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graphic novel series the fickle finders

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which spans topics from aliens to angels

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her newest works soon to be released is

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a graphic novel to help harm people

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against evil onslaught with the other

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hollis is also a lively radio show talk

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talk show host which i just mentioned um

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the name of that show is the outlander

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600 000 listeners the kevin cook show

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has 860 000 listeners which i i think

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you co-host and uh paranormal central

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uh she's also a lecturer cartoonist and

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practicing occupational therapist her

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which is all over the internet now is

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gaining popularity and spans as many

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topics as paranormally possible she has

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spoken across the country and has been

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featured on a variety of notable radio

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and television programs worldwide heidi

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welcome to paranormal now

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oh i thank you i'm happy to be here

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yeah thank you so i i know that you just

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some good news about the inception radio

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and that is that we are now on i heart

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yeah it's fantastic news um so what do

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boost in listenership

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who may not have found the network will

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now have the opportunity to scan and and

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find us and yeah i definitely think that

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cool interest out there honestly

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outlander uh it has been six years yeah

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you're getting a better bigger audience

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some of the links so you've got heidi

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radio network page which are awesome

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illustrations you dig them you dig them

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concept to have bigfoot aliens and

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at it on paper i'm like gosh that looks

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like i'm really crazy busy and i guess i

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am um but i just i enjoy it so much my

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family's always been one of uh a lot of

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hobbies so i i've always kind of had

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something that i was doing and it's

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hosting my shows this is so crazy i mean

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having fun i i just it's all fun it

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patients out so um yeah i mean it's all

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but and what about your latest work that

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you've been focusing on tell us about

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that one's been a long time in the

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getting it pulled together to get uh

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published but uh yeah i i'm giving

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that like fully ready and to the

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printers and all that good stuff in a

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emails from people all over the globe

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very uh religious they weren't very

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faithful or they didn't know how to go

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about getting that and i'm like gosh you

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know and a lot of kids were were um

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being the focus of a lot of this demonic

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activity and i'm like well how do you

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how do you reach the folks i'm like okay

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newspaper comic strip artist and

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um i decided you know let me reach the

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kids let me do a book on the other f

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words so fickle finders

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investigates other f words that's the

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notebook lines and everything and to try

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to be inviting to kids and i put it out

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lo and behold i didn't hear from one kid

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comic books and this has a lot of comics

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for adults as well and that reaches the

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it the other f word

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and put it out there to help people

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topics and the dark characters and

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creatures infesting the world

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it's getting out of hand so i tell

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people it's not just a possibility it's

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that you're going to experience

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something quite dark one day so um

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any way to look at you know our faith

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have a chuckle have a laugh get serious

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take it easy again rest assured have no

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doubts and and just kind of go with it

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i think and i hope that it's going to

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open up a lot of eyes out there and um

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other books already complete and along

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the lines of the pickle finder one um

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just for fun i mean i

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just just want to reach people just want

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to reach them in different ways and

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thinking what more can i do what what

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way to get over it and and

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find that light at the end of the tunnel

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and if i can in any way reach people and

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and tell them look it's okay you can do

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this i mean i'm gonna do it i mean so i

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mean

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you know being that that way so

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well i guess i guess um

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dealing with the topics that you do deal

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with you would have to have that sort of

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attitude i mean otherwise you'd be in a

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very dark place i would imagine

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yeah

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so for some people who are not quite

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um if you're not quite familiar with

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heidi um i i have to say the first time

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i

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reference to the hat man um and then the

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shadow people following that um

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so

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what which of those two

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do you feel like um

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was the one thing that really

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uh brought people's attention to you and

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the work that you do

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oh gosh it was the shadow people topic

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for sure because uh

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even originally i'd call the hat man hat

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man's shadow

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i had mistaken him for being a shadow

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person and he is not

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when i i try to correct myself as soon

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as i could but

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he is such a topic that is so dark and

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so um has so much negativity associated

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with him

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in uh even when i went to look into the

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topic i mean people close to me started

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feeling attacked and

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oppressed

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i mean it was crazy so um for a long for

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a while i i really didn't touch a topic

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but yeah it was definitely shadow people

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that

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i i first put out there and i wrote the

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book in 97 and

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it took me two months to write that book

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in four years to get it published

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because there are promises of publishers

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yeah yeah we'll take it and then they

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did and they fall through and

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and i finally put it out there myself uh

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kind of kind of partnership with this

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publishing company and

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and

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you know people are like oh you know

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you're not gonna know what shadow people

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are i mean you just made that name up

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and i'm like i couldn't find anything

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out there on

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what i was dealing with personally so i

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i i'd hoped if i could

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somehow depict what it was i was dealing

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with and and how i made it through

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talking uh dealing with these these dark

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things um i thought that the book might

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be helpful to other people so i put it

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out there

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and i mean my email box has

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been overflowing ever since it's it's

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been a crazy ride thousands and

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thousands of stories all over the globe

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just

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crazy i and i honestly thought

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i'm gonna talk about this topic i'm

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gonna get on the radio

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and people are gonna go huh what the

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heck and i just could not have been

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prepared for what happened with the

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response honestly

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yeah

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i think a lot of people have

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some sensation on occasion right that

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someone is

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just

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out of the corner of their eye

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um

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is that the sort of thing that is an

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indication

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that there is a shadow person nearby

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how does one how does one know

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well uh

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i i think initially

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people do kind of get that

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strange feeling that something might be

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watching them first off and

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may look around and perhaps catch a

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glimpse of something in their peripheral

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vision and why that is is because our

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peripheral vision is more sensitive to

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the differences between the light and

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dark i mean think about that

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and uh i i guess in a very uh

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kind of a neanderthal type of

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time when you know perhaps a

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a rock was being shot at your head and

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you weren't looking but your peripheral

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caught that coming and you could duck so

386
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it it's kind of a defense system so you

387
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you're able to catch these things a lot

388
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easier from your peripheral vision and

389
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they're quick they can move out of the

390
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way once they notice that you notice

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them they they don't generally like that

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they may run

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or they may attack you uh unfortunately

394
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so you make it rush uh if you turn and

395
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you thought you saw something you turn

396
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and you still see it oh that's a problem

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and they will generally they'll

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generally attack if you see them head-on

399
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like that um

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if you just caught a tail end of them

401
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whisping by

402
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uh yeah

403
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you're luckier

404
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so i think that's what was most was so

405
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shocking i think is that

406
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not many people have heard of this or

407
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ever heard of

408
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anything like this and then all of a

409
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sudden people are reporting this um and

410
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it indicates that they were not sharing

411
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this because they were probably ashamed

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to do so

413
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right and it's shocking to think that

414
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that they're being attacked by shadow

415
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people what

416
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what does the shadow want with you

417
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yeah um

418
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when it comes to these low down rotten

419
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good for nothings as i like to call them

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um

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their their

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their main reason i guess is to suck the

423
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fear out of people suck the life force

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out of people

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choke a person um

426
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it seems like such a petty thing it's

427
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like why would something try to get me

428
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when i'm not looking because i do like

429
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to come and sneak and blend in with the

430
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darkness and

431
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come at you in that that way and um

432
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often times people are like you know i i

433
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woke up because i i thought i felt a

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presence and

435
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and all of a sudden there they feel this

436
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pressure on their body and they're being

437
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choked they're paralyzed

438
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and sometimes they can see a dark mass

439
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on them sometimes they can see red

440
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glowing eyes on them other times they

441
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don't see anything

442
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through the darkness

443
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but this is an interesting phenomenon

444
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you know there's just a little bit of

445
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light in your room and you can kind of

446
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see shadows on the wall but they could

447
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look to their side and see the shadow of

448
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a shape on top of them i mean how

449
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disturbing is that

450
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and the sense is always

451
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outright dread they're pretty sure

452
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they're going to die whatever this is is

453
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trying to kill them and whatever it is

454
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it's quite negative

455
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um

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and uh

457
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it's it's so disturbing to me that

458
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this is a tactic

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that they present mainly when a person

460
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has their guard down

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at night time

462
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it's not their only time that they'll

463
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come at a person but this is this is a a

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prime time and

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unfortunately

466
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they're quite successful because hello

467
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you know you're really not prepared to

468
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to fight for your very life and what

469
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they feel often times for their soul um

470
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yeah so i i just i don't know i tell

471
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people you know that to tell you

472
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something they cannot take you on when

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you're fully conscious they cannot take

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you on as you are they have to come like

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a thief in the night

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and and try to tap you out that way i'm

477
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like so really i i when a lot of people

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tell me oh gosh i was paralyzed i

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couldn't do anything

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i i don't know how to fight this thing

481
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i'm like well

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if you

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really really think about it you think

484
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about how they've had to come at you you

485
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know

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you'll find that

487
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you are not

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helpless if you can look to your side

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and see that they're essentially

490
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whispering in your ear you're paralyzed

491
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you're paralyzed that's when you get the

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upper hand that's when you realize hold

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on i have the power here and you have no

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doubts in your ability to be able to

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move and be able to get these things

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away from you and get them off from you

497
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um

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some people have a go-to

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tactic of i'll just wiggle a finger and

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if i could just focus on that finger to

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move it'll break the spell and i'm like

502
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you know that whatever tactic works for

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a person awesome for me when i was

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dealing with them i just said the name

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jesus and uh

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that's worked for me

507
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every time and i've encouraged that to

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be a practice of others

509
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,640
some people are not christian they have

510
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different go-to's and like ask god for

511
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help you know

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because uh

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it's it's tough but it's really tough

514
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when i have these people who are like oh

515
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well i'm agnostic or i'm atheist i i i i

516
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don't believe in that religious stuff

517
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you know they just categorize it as one

518
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big lump and um i'm like oh okay did

519
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that thing feel evil oh yeah it was evil

520
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oh okay well you better hope that

521
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there's an opposite force out there that

522
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could kick its butt otherwise you might

523
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as well throw a shoe at it yeah throw a

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shoe get a shoe then don't call me i

525
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can't help you

526
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[Laughter]

527
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it's crazy absolutely i guess if you're

528
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agnostic it'd be easier but if you're

529
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pure if you're pure atheist um

530
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,440
then what are you believing in that in

531
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the first place

532
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and yeah you know because i mean i guess

533
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you're seeking a materialistic

534
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explanation

535
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or materialistic deterrent i don't know

536
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,840
that's that's interesting i i definitely

537
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put myself in the category of agnostics

538
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spiritual slash part-time atheist

539
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i'm speaking to you alan how are you

540
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yeah you are

541
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:36,720
all in one here yeah

542
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um so no i yeah yeah i would defer to a

543
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higher power for sure yeah i hope you

544
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have a lot of shoes by the side of your

545
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bed to throw at anything that's awesome

546
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that's my higher power it's my big shoe

547
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oh there you go

548
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um

549
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no no i mean yeah i definitely am a

550
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,000
spiritual person so i think i would be

551
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okay with using some form of uh you know

552
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,919
invocation but if you're an atheist i

553
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:00,880
don't know what you would do in that

554
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,440
situation oh gosh i've run into a lot of

555
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,960
brick walls with that one let me tell

556
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,400
you because it's

557
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i mean

558
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wow

559
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,559
people the things that they'll tell me

560
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,720
it's like so i play a little wicca stuff

561
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,640
and dig into

562
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,280
some chicken bones and cast spells so

563
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:19,039
what do i do with this thing again i'm

564
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,640
like what did you just tell me

565
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,880
oh my gosh you know they don't believe

566
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,799
in the good but they sure do believe in

567
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,280
the evil well the evil came a knock and

568
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,080
you know welcomed them put a doormat out

569
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,240
for him saying come on in because you

570
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,240
essentially did that i mean you you've

571
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,400
gotta yank out the welcome mat out from

572
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,039
underneath this evil stuff because

573
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,120
uh once it takes a good look at you and

574
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,960
if it likes what it sees

575
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,400
it's gonna keep coming back

576
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,880
unfortunately and uh you know i have a

577
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,559
question for you alan because this is i

578
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,640
hear this this a lot you know people

579
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,240
that

580
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,480
i i don't know what happened to you know

581
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,320
people in their different faiths and

582
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,559
different backgrounds that causes them

583
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,120
to go oh i'm spiritual you know it's

584
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,960
they might have been raised catholic uh

585
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,400
you know whatever

586
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,200
witness and you know it's like so and

587
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,440
they they they just you know for me it

588
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,600
was learning to practice to sit still i

589
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,679
didn't like church either you know

590
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,240
sunday school was cool i didn't mind it

591
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,960
but you know i was told people who know

592
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,880
and see things that are not usually

593
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,120
there well they're of the devil you know

594
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,120
and i'm like whoa i don't feel evil so i

595
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,520
turned my back against my belief system

596
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,840
as well because i'd seen ufos i'd seen

597
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,679
other odd things and i'm like well this

598
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,039
is more real than what they're talking

599
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,880
about at the church so

600
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,200
poop on that you know so i just kind of

601
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:41,360
went the opposite direction so i get it

602
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,400
but

603
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,720
i had to come back full circle i i did

604
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,159
because i

605
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,360
i mean

606
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,760
i had things that that were just you

607
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:52,240
know essentially threatening to kill me

608
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,440
and

609
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,240
i had really okay my first book secret

610
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,360
war i was such a skeptic of

611
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,360
people who claimed to see jesus in their

612
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,159
bola soup to a tree trunk and i thought

613
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,880
it was hogwash i'm like look i've seen a

614
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,360
lot of things myself too and i never

615
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,600
mistook it for jesus and i really

616
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,600
thought people were seeing like hippos

617
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:14,880
in the clouds

618
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:17,840
um and i i bashed the topic really

619
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,320
really quite badly in my first book like

620
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,640
these people are nuts you know like what

621
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:24,960
are they what are they thinking and uh

622
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:28,559
just before putting that book out

623
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,320
i had a jesus encounter that

624
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,360
just flipped my world just flipped my

625
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,679
world all the way over to the other side

626
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:41,120
of what just happened here and i needed

627
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,080
to

628
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,679
oh my gosh i

629
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,840
i i was a college student

630
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,159
i i took great pride in picking on my

631
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,240
friends who went to bed early on a

632
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,400
saturday night out the clubs to get up

633
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,559
to church in the morning i'm like what

634
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,240
who's doing that

635
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,320
my my roommate college roommate was

636
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,480
pentecostal for crying out loud didn't

637
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,880
cut her hair big skirts i'm like

638
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,400
not doing that either

639
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:05,679
um

640
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,280
and uh so this one day i came home

641
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,799
from work i worked at five in the

642
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,480
morning till 12 noon and then i'd go to

643
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,600
a class

644
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,200
but i'd come home take a nap and then go

645
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,120
to class and so i came home i told my

646
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,760
roommate turn your tv down take a nap

647
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,320
i went to lay down on my bed

648
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,640
and i am not kidding you i

649
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,360
i went to lay down on my bed and

650
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,000
it's as if i i missed my bed and hit the

651
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,039
floor and it was so hard and abrupt i

652
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,919
just boom like whoa what the heck how

653
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,760
did i do that i'm like

654
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,720
silly me i hit i miss my bed

655
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,640
and i'm on the ground and i'm kind of

656
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,960
straightening myself up i'm like

657
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,720
hold on where am i

658
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,080
and uh

659
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:50,480
i was in front of my parents home

660
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,440
it's like

661
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,919
how did i get here you know like i was

662
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,440
in such like

663
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,600
just i don't know it was it's such a

664
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,360
shocking thing i'm like

665
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,120
i don't remember driving here i don't

666
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,799
know how i got here i don't know why i'm

667
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,880
here i'm looking around trying to make

668
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,720
sense i'm like i know i was gonna meet

669
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,520
up with a family friend over here

670
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,240
and maybe that's you know why i'm here

671
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,919
and sure enough i see this guy at the

672
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,840
end of my parents driveway my parents

673
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,200
live kinda out in the country they have

674
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,840
a long driveway and i see this guy

675
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,679
walking up the driveway i'm like oh that

676
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,679
looks like my family friend quincy yeah

677
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,600
yeah that's what i came here for i just

678
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,520
don't know how i got here

679
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:29,360
this guy starts walking up the driveway

680
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,640
and i mean it took only a few instances

681
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,000
for me to go oh my gosh you know

682
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,720
and just put my face in my hands just

683
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,039
going this can't be happening is this

684
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,799
happening this is happening i'm like i

685
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,880
am really here i'm looking around

686
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,279
i'm looking at the walls of the front of

687
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,600
my parents home and i'm like this is

688
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,360
this is really going on and this man

689
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,120
came up to me

690
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,440
and uh he said hello

691
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,720
and i'm like

692
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,840
hello and uh i still have my face in my

693
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,159
hands and he said

694
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,400
if you knew who i was you would not

695
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,240
hesitate to say it

696
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,360
and i'm like oh my gosh he's gonna call

697
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,760
my bluff and make me say it you know i'm

698
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,480
like

699
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,120
and i pulled my hands away from my face

700
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,200
and i'm i was stuttering i'm like whoa

701
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,400
whoa whoa whoa you're you're jesus i now

702
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,559
i don't speak spanish i don't know why i

703
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,200
called him jesus and when i went to look

704
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,640
at him he said yes i am and

705
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,840
i mean i just can't even describe to you

706
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,799
the love tingles that shot off of him

707
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,600
and hit me and i am

708
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,400
looking at this man in a white robe

709
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:43,120
um it was it was almost stereotypical

710
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,480
and i saw a bright light behind his head

711
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,720
his face was shadowed

712
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,720
and i'm like

713
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,480
what

714
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,600
oh my gosh you know this is really him

715
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,880
and um

716
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
i remember be he started talking about

717
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,120
his life and how so much needed to be

718
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,279
done and he's carrying on and on and on

719
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,320
and i am still silly me going heidi this

720
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,159
is happening and um

721
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,559
i'm looking down and trying you know i'm

722
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,799
like i wanted to pinch myself and i'm i

723
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,480
looked at the ground and i'm like whoa

724
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,799
why is the ground so close to me

725
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
and then i i exclaimed in my head like

726
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,799
i'm on my knees i don't even remember

727
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,039
going on my knees and

728
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,799
and he got quiet and i'm like oh i felt

729
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,200
like a kid being caught passing notes in

730
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,640
class or something i wasn't paying

731
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,960
attention because i was just i was just

732
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,520
stunned and i

733
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,840
looked up at him and i'm stuttered again

734
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,679
and i said well well what do you want me

735
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,799
to do

736
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,159
and uh

737
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,640
he said first you need to show us some

738
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,080
things i'm like

739
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,760
us i'm like oh my gosh he's talking

740
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,880
about his daddy um

741
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,480
and he asked me to finish writing my

742
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,159
book um

743
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,840
the secret war which was already

744
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:58,240
complete at the time i just was editing

745
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:59,039
it

746
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,640
um

747
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,200
but it was interesting okay it was a it

748
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,720
was unbelievable i mean there's a lot

749
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,559
more that happened to that but

750
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,919
your heart must have been pounding

751
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,200
though you have no idea i mean i was i

752
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,440
tore him up in my book and he's telling

753
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,000
me to finish it i had to rewrite parts

754
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,880
of it because i bashed him so bad so

755
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,960
yeah

756
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,159
well that's the sort of experience that

757
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,960
so many people i think um especially who

758
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,840
don't believe want to have and to say

759
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,480
okay well now i can believe or um yeah

760
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,159
those of faith even those of faith just

761
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,919
want to have it because it would confirm

762
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,240
their faith um but we're gonna pick up

763
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,799
back with uh heidi hollis um host of the

764
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,960
outlander on the inception radio network

765
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,840
and

766
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,360
lauded author

767
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,559
and this is alan b smith for power

768
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:46,559
number now stay tuned we'll be right

769
00:29:10,570 --> 00:28:49,230
back

770
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,669
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okay keep your eyes closed okay i want

802
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,919
to show you my first ever painting all

803
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:39,360
right okay

804
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,919
open your eyes oh that's a lot of colors

805
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,399
and shades so be honest what do you

806
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,279
think well uh i like how

807
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,720
if you switch to geico you could save

808
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:52,480
hundreds of dollars on car insurance oh

809
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,520
yeah that's that's true yeah here why

810
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,760
don't i hold your paintbrush while you

811
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,480
call them geico because saving 15 or

812
00:32:47,590 --> 00:31:02,559
more on car insurance is always a great

813
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,430
and welcome back to paranormal now the

814
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,200
zombie smith your host my guest tonight

815
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,360
is heidi hollis the host of the

816
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,200
outlander on the inception radio network

817
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,200
of which you are listening to this show

818
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,559
on right now

819
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,120
um and she's also the author of many a

820
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,159
book um probably most famous for i would

821
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,919
guess the secret war a true story about

822
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,200
a real alien war in shadow people um and

823
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,279
actually we were just talking about

824
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,200
um her experience

825
00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:15,360
seeing quote jesus

826
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,040
um

827
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,159
[Laughter]

828
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:20,880
in a steely bright white fashion that

829
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,880
often is uh reported um

830
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,799
and you know i'm coming from things

831
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,240
independent perspective of an

832
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,200
ex-catholic um

833
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,279
a reformed catholic as i say are

834
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,679
recovering people say that right i'm not

835
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,480
recovering i'm good i'm i'm i'm i'm

836
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:39,840
retired

837
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,320
but yeah so so ben down low as uh as the

838
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,080
song is in the break that we just came

839
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,080
out of our bumper music by bob marley

840
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,200
and listen to

841
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,919
what heidi hilas has to say because um

842
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,880
she is a wealth of knowledge on these

843
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,600
very strange topics um and it's funny

844
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,279
because we were just briefly speaking

845
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,399
about this during the uh the break um

846
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,039
that heidi has been very close to having

847
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,639
a television show um and

848
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,879
you don't see these topics really

849
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,639
thoroughly covered in in a way that you

850
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:15,359
do

851
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,159
um

852
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,159
aliens or extraterrestrials or ghosts or

853
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,119
bigfoot and i think man there has to be

854
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,440
such a huge market for that you know i i

855
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,280
hope that you do get your own show

856
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,520
sometime or something happens you know

857
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,879
um yeah because i think this is

858
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,560
fascinating for people

859
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,639
oh it it is i mean

860
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,760
you know they're

861
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,480
it's it's an odd world uh

862
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,359
showbiz i guess they say it they find a

863
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,000
format that they that works that people

864
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,720
are used to like quote uh ghost hunters

865
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,159
you know that format you know running

866
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,560
through screaming like little girls

867
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,960
you know like that shaky camera right

868
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,119
yeah shaky camera things are shadowed

869
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,919
and yeah that kind of thing so

870
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,480
that's what it seems to be the the usual

871
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,079
like they think that's all people want

872
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,960
to see and unfortunately so

873
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,560
putting a different angle

874
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,560
of something out there seems to be a lot

875
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,400
harder

876
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,160
i mean when it comes to the paranormal

877
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,560
unfortunately so it's just a

878
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,920
yeah it's just a matter of getting

879
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,880
people

880
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:15,599
to

881
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:20,000
you know taking the paranormal in an

882
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,119
actual

883
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,119
fashion that people deal with it on a

884
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:24,960
day-to-day basis we don't all go

885
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,000
crawling through abandoned buildings

886
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,240
you know it's interesting but um no

887
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,480
yeah well i think that also people just

888
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,880
get stuck on well this format seems to

889
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,800
be working and we're afraid yeah from

890
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,320
that and then you just get stuck in

891
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,320
these same old

892
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,200
patterns of um you know exactly

893
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,520
storytelling um

894
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,200
but so

895
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:51,839
who are the the shadow people

896
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,079
do you have any idea where what they are

897
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,800
who they are where they came from

898
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,640
well they work for our government i'm

899
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,079
just kidding

900
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:01,680
shadow government all right and that's

901
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,030
well you know the there's a there's a

902
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,960
complicated history to

903
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,200
these these beings i personally did not

904
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,320
know what it was i was experiencing um i

905
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,440
guess uh to back it up a little bit with

906
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,119
the topic

907
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,680
uh i first saw one following a friend of

908
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,560
mine

909
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,400
i did not know what i was saying it was

910
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,560
broad daylight we're walking along a

911
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,720
path and um

912
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,240
i i see

913
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,119
i i saw something jump from a bush to a

914
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,200
tree i'm like huh who is that my

915
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,359
friend's walking alongside of me and i

916
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,040
like this is weird you know and then i

917
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,200
saw you know a couple more times ducking

918
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,560
and diving and

919
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,640
and we reached our destination turn

920
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,880
around come walking back and it did it

921
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,119
all the way back and by that time i was

922
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,280
just beside myself and i go to my friend

923
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,560
i'm like

924
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:55,040
i said look i don't know what it is i

925
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:56,079
saw

926
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,720
the head and shoulder shadow um

927
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,920
essentially it's a big hulking thing

928
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,280
that

929
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,520
looks like it's on steroids and its head

930
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,839
is directly connected to its shoulders

931
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,079
and it's like got rounded shoulders and

932
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,880
nose discernible legs really um

933
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,160
and uh

934
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,240
i drew this out and my friend looks sad

935
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,680
and i'm thinking she's gonna just laugh

936
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,599
at me she looks at and goes

937
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,480
oh

938
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,640
that thing yeah i don't know what that

939
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,320
is that's been following me for years

940
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,400
and then she goes hey dad look he's back

941
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,839
and he goes really

942
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,520
gosh i don't know what we're going to do

943
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:33,440
about that thing i'm like and i'm going

944
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,320
huh

945
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,400
you know this is crazy

946
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,359
uh how how is someone so complacent

947
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,000
about that like since she was a kid it

948
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,480
had been following and terrorizing her

949
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,280
just all the time and i don't know it

950
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:50,000
was just it was like a thing it was like

951
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,119
oh my gosh

952
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,839
the terror did the terror wear off and

953
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,000
she's just like well you know i go ahead

954
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,760
try to scare me but you know i'm over it

955
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,880
at this point

956
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,880
i don't think so i think that because

957
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,640
her dad would come running and when

958
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,240
she'd scream at night and uh he'd see it

959
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,359
run away

960
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,520
i mean that's crazy that's just crazy

961
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,720
yeah so he actually witnessed it but um

962
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,200
i'm like you know i was floored by the

963
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,119
thing i saw i was even more floored by

964
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,520
her reaction and her dad's and i was

965
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,599
staying at their place and i i had to go

966
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,440
upstairs to go grab something and it was

967
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,760
still broad daylight outside and it was

968
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,320
like an attic second floor and i had to

969
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,480
go through this solid black room before

970
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,640
i could get to the room i was staying at

971
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,359
that had natural lighting coming in so i

972
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,119
i go in there i grabbed what i needed

973
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:39,119
out of the room i turned around

974
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,800
and the darn thing was standing there

975
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,760
blocking my way out of the room just

976
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,160
hulking over me like

977
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,760
i don't want to kill me and i just

978
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,480
remember looking up i mean this thing i

979
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,119
don't know eight feet tall it's huge i

980
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,359
don't know 10 feet he's huge

981
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:00,800
and i'm like

982
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:04,079
oh my gosh you know i i knew if i swung

983
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,359
at this thing it was going to get me i

984
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,640
knew if i ran

985
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,119
from this thing it was going to get me

986
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,680
so i just did the best thing i could do

987
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,960
and

988
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,040
quietly said a prayer as i kind of

989
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:17,599
closed my eyes and walked straight

990
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,119
through it slowly and methodically and

991
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,440
then i had to go through that big solid

992
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,440
black room to get to the top of the

993
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,280
stairs and oh it was just

994
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,280
horrifying but so that was my first

995
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,119
encounter with these things and i i

996
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:33,040
really had thought that

997
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,480
you know that was the one time that i i

998
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,640
would ever experience this freaky thing

999
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:37,760
and um

1000
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,720
i didn't realize till a few years later

1001
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:41,520
that

1002
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,800
time i i just didn't associate the night

1003
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,280
terrors i started having of

1004
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,000
these shadow spiders which were

1005
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,880
just a constant reminder of what hell is

1006
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,520
like on earth i hate spiders

1007
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,720
i just hate them and uh really

1008
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,240
that's so just i think they're

1009
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,400
fascinating honestly yeah

1010
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,599
oh are you one of those people that

1011
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,839
watch uh youtube videos of spiders

1012
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,920
fighting because my nephew does that oh

1013
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,839
no no not that not that fascinating okay

1014
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,040
okay nobody

1015
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,560
i i've always you know

1016
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,160
growing up where we grew up in the in

1017
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,160
the northeast i mean spiders are always

1018
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,520
considered friendly because they killed

1019
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:20,800
all the flies because we get so many

1020
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,079
flies so i did always see them as you

1021
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,760
know as a as a friend rather than a foe

1022
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,839
that's spiderman you got it wrong that's

1023
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,480
spiderman i like the cartoon as well

1024
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,000
yeah sorry

1025
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,960
friendly neighborhood spiderman

1026
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,200
it's as close to spider liking as i like

1027
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,119
that's it right

1028
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:42,880
i don't know how to deal if i saw a

1029
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,320
giant tarantula in the amazon um or any

1030
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,839
of those other giant spiders i think i

1031
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,839
might freak out about that but living in

1032
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,920
the northeast as i do i'm comfortable

1033
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,119
with spiders

1034
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,680
oh that's gross australia where i lived

1035
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,800
at one point they have spiders that can

1036
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,760
jump and catch a bird yeah you know go

1037
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,160
for that one yeah that's enough

1038
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,400
i don't know if i could dig on that yeah

1039
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,920
yeah disgusting kind of look like those

1040
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,839
little alien things uh from the alien

1041
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:12,000
movie so it just attached to your face

1042
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,920
but um so anyways yeah so shadow spiders

1043
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:17,280
i started

1044
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,800
like in walking sleepwalking running in

1045
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:23,119
terror i guess sleep running

1046
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:26,400
from giant spiders that were the size of

1047
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:27,440
me

1048
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:31,359
um just crazy and usually like

1049
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:32,079
my

1050
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,839
running around looking for a shoe to

1051
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,560
kill it talk about shoes i did i was

1052
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,640
like i just felt if i killed it once

1053
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,560
really good it wouldn't come back

1054
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,280
so i mean i'd be in my closet digging

1055
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,400
and oh just craziness and uh so

1056
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,880
i i honestly didn't didn't associate it

1057
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,119
with what i had seen before but i found

1058
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,560
now that that's another form that they

1059
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,319
take um

1060
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,119
i flash forward a year or two a couple

1061
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,440
of years maybe um

1062
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,040
i had witnessed a major ufo in milwaukee

1063
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,400
wisconsin where i was raised and uh

1064
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,880
just three football fields in length and

1065
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:12,880
the whole body of the ship glowed in

1066
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,760
orangish red just unbelievable and saw a

1067
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,119
couple other odd lights so i joined a

1068
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,880
ufo uh

1069
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,000
group

1070
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,680
these people though

1071
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:23,760
were alien abductees they weren't just

1072
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,680
somebody who had seen ufos as i had

1073
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,599
i want to say i was with them for a few

1074
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,720
months

1075
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,440
and i had a black helicopter show up

1076
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,280
over my place

1077
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,040
on mark black helicopter looked like it

1078
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,200
was going to land on the house craziness

1079
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,400
and maybe a couple months after that

1080
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,760
i woke up i my dad told me never young

1081
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,440
lady should not have an apartment on the

1082
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,480
first floor of a of an apartment but

1083
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,640
i did and he thought you know somebody

1084
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,079
might break in well i woke up to the

1085
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,440
sounds of someone

1086
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:57,359
it sounded like they had broken in to my

1087
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,960
apartment i got up freaked out like oh

1088
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,079
no dad was right and i'm like my phone's

1089
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,560
not near me i'm like my door is wide

1090
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:09,280
open to where the noise is coming from

1091
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,680
and uh my bedroom window that i had

1092
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,760
it had bars on it you know like

1093
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,119
protection

1094
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,119
i'm like sure now i can't get out the

1095
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,040
window either so i knew once i put my

1096
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,560
feet down whoever's in my apartment is

1097
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,200
gonna see me and i'm gonna have to bolt

1098
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,000
so i just like counted to three put my

1099
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:31,119
feet down and i just bolted for the door

1100
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:32,000
and

1101
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,119
i tell you

1102
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:35,920
i wasn't prepared for what it was i saw

1103
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,960
i saw what looked like the size of

1104
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:41,200
two four-year-olds standing in my living

1105
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,920
room

1106
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,760
and so i'm running you know for my life

1107
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:44,960
and i'm like

1108
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,760
hold on you know what the heck

1109
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,520
what it

1110
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,960
i you don't have the fear a

1111
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,040
four-year-old than you it's and i sure

1112
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,920
didn't and i walked up to these two

1113
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
little guys going through my bookshelf

1114
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,400
like like maniacs

1115
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:02,319
and i stood between the two of them

1116
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,440
they're like

1117
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:04,400
hey

1118
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:05,119
what

1119
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,520
and they just turned and looked at me

1120
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,359
and froze

1121
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,520
these things i knew i was familiar with

1122
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,680
what they were because uh here i joined

1123
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:17,680
this group and they were

1124
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,280
a gray type of alien big black eyes

1125
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,720
and they had two slits for nostrils and

1126
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:27,760
uh a slit for a mouth but their mouth

1127
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:31,920
formed an oh like oh crap she's up

1128
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,000
really they did that and

1129
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:36,480
and i'm like you know there was a clear

1130
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,800
facial expression there there was and um

1131
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,400
trying to getting to to get to the

1132
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,240
shadow people portion because it's all

1133
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,640
connected it's it's so bizarre so

1134
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,880
these guys they're there there's two in

1135
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,640
my living room i hear a noise behind me

1136
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,040
there's two in my walk-in closet noise

1137
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,680
in my kitchen two in there

1138
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:57,839
two were in my bathroom i had been

1139
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,280
invaded and i was interrogating all of

1140
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,760
them running around like just you know i

1141
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,040
thought it was about to die and then

1142
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,040
there's four-year-old looking alien

1143
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,280
creatures roaming in my apartment and

1144
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,040
i'm going around saying

1145
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,960
who are you and what are you doing here

1146
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,800
that's all i could think of and like

1147
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,720
what are you doing here you know like

1148
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,160
get out they're going through my stuff

1149
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,960
like it was a police raid or something

1150
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:23,359
like this is crazy

1151
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,400
but

1152
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,520
so uh

1153
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,119
i want to say it was like practically

1154
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,880
the next day

1155
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:30,560
i had met

1156
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,160
my old foe that creature i saw following

1157
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,280
my friend the head and shoulder shadow

1158
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,520
and i'm like what on earth i just got

1159
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,520
rid of these little stinkers that were

1160
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,640
in my apartment and only to be met with

1161
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,520
this

1162
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:50,560
menace and i mean it felt it felt like a

1163
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,400
it felt nosy at first and i couldn't i

1164
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,319
couldn't under understand what it was

1165
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,880
doing there why why it was there

1166
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,000
um and then it just it seemed more in my

1167
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,480
periphery but i got the shape and then

1168
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,720
it started coming more head on and i'm

1169
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,880
like oh my gosh this is this is that

1170
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,000
thing

1171
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,280
and uh

1172
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,680
i g at the time i lived alone

1173
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,079
and i got a uh i moved into a bigger

1174
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,839
apartment literally across the hall in

1175
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,680
the same building and got a college

1176
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,800
roommate

1177
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,040
and uh

1178
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,280
we just i mean the the activity just

1179
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,280
stepped up and i'm like i don't know

1180
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,880
what this is i don't know what's going

1181
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,680
on

1182
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,720
my roommate was pentecostal she's like

1183
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,560
these are demons and everything was

1184
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,480
demons and you know to her and i'm i'm

1185
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,160
like i i don't know what to think of

1186
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,240
this she experienced things on levels

1187
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,960
that blew my mind she was more sensitive

1188
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,040
than i was to these things

1189
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,200
and uh did she see some of these things

1190
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,880
with you she sure did she was an

1191
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:51,040
extraordinary artist as well and she

1192
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,920
actually

1193
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:53,680
drew a lot of the images that you see on

1194
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,079
my site and uh just crazy and she is the

1195
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,440
one who experienced the hat man not me

1196
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,760
i ran to her aid because she was

1197
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,079
screaming in utter terror like one of

1198
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,319
those movie screams that people do when

1199
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,560
they're being slaughtered that's what i

1200
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,520
heard

1201
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,880
and

1202
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,640
i came running

1203
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,040
from my room to her room thinking

1204
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,880
someone had broken in and was attacking

1205
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,920
her

1206
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:22,000
and she was literally balled up in a

1207
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,440
corner on the floor shaking like you

1208
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,440
just couldn't imagine

1209
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,720
and um shake it just pointing at

1210
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,880
saying all she could say was the man the

1211
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,280
man the man and i'm like i'm like her

1212
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,680
she had a room uh that had a door that

1213
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,400
exited straight out of the building onto

1214
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,599
the porch

1215
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,440
and i'm thinking oh my god somebody came

1216
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,280
in and you know in the door and i'm like

1217
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,280
where where where to go where'd he go

1218
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:48,960
she just couldn't breathe to talk and

1219
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,560
she's like no no

1220
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,680
he left when you came and i'm like huh

1221
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,280
you know i'm like looking at the windows

1222
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,800
they're closed i'm like

1223
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,599
i couldn't understand and she drew what

1224
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,040
she'd seen and

1225
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,960
and i had assumed

1226
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:03,920
it was

1227
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,640
as kind of ghostly wispy like these

1228
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,520
black shadow things and uh

1229
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,920
that was oh just a just a gut-wrenching

1230
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,200
thing but

1231
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,520
i later learned he was quite solid he

1232
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:17,359
wears an outfit he wears a three-piece

1233
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,560
suit trench coat uh gaucho type hat

1234
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,319
quite simple

1235
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,079
chain watch

1236
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,440
yeah but um but yeah but i learned uh

1237
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,680
pretty early on that these

1238
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,240
alien beings were associated somehow

1239
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,800
with these shadow beings i i mean i had

1240
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,559
just gotten rid of these i've never seen

1241
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,960
aliens before i wasn't paralyzed or

1242
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,280
anything i i got up i reacted i thought

1243
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,280
somebody was breaking in and then poof

1244
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,680
the next day i got these these demon

1245
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,280
things coming in i'm like well what did

1246
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,200
they do call their boss in

1247
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,280
i i didn't know i mean it was just

1248
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,440
bizarre um yeah

1249
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:55,359
i mean and this is i mean this is not a

1250
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,880
dream right you're you you're no yeah i

1251
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,040
i mean it's just so astounding

1252
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,800
i i laugh and i joke about this stuff

1253
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,079
because it's

1254
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,680
it's some heavy stuff and i think people

1255
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,319
on

1256
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,160
some levels some people really do lose

1257
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,079
it they do lose their minds in regards

1258
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,440
to these topics because it's heavy and

1259
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,760
it's dark i get it and it's like i might

1260
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,280
take it more casually than others but

1261
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,680
trust me i have suffered i've gone

1262
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,680
through some crap i couldn't sleep with

1263
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,400
the lights off i i was i was having some

1264
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,960
serious difficulty and i was studying to

1265
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,280
become an occupational therapist not not

1266
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,760
an easy thing to study mind you i felt i

1267
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,920
was being prepared to become a doctor

1268
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,359
and i couldn't sleep at night because

1269
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,079
demons were coming at me i mean it was

1270
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,000
so frustrating

1271
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,839
i had friends that would come over and

1272
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,359
stay the night just to watch the

1273
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
fireworks of

1274
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,319
shadowy things

1275
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,960
showing up and now get this

1276
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,480
and now i couldn't categorize this

1277
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,839
either at the time

1278
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,599
spheres of light

1279
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,839
coming from outside

1280
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,800
zipping into the apartment and attacking

1281
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,640
the shadow thing

1282
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,559
i'm like okay i

1283
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,160
don't even know

1284
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,760
what's gears of light where were they

1285
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,880
coming from

1286
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,720
spheres of light like balls of light

1287
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,400
they would come from outdoors they would

1288
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,160
come from the window they would come

1289
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,599
from the window and

1290
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,640
one time oh this one gives me chills i

1291
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,800
i woke up because whenever something

1292
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,720
wasn't right in my apartment i would

1293
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,480
just wake up you know i was never

1294
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:23,839
paralyzed

1295
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,280
i can't move um i i would wake up and

1296
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:29,440
i'm like something evil was was in my

1297
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,400
bedroom

1298
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,880
and i woke up to like you know jump and

1299
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,079
defend myself and i i don't even know

1300
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,160
how to describe but

1301
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:41,920
there were like strings uh like i was in

1302
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,680
a pastel color of webbing

1303
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,319
surrounded me of glowing glowing webbing

1304
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,960
light that were like light blues pinks

1305
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:52,400
and yellows

1306
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,599
and i'm like wow you know and i could

1307
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,280
see through them

1308
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,559
and see the shadow thing

1309
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,760
standing there angry and frustrated that

1310
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,520
it couldn't get at me

1311
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,760
and i just and i heard my roommate

1312
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,000
screaming screaming

1313
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,800
screaming i they were attacking her

1314
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:15,280
well i got protected somehow for some

1315
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,040
reason just just wild stuff um

1316
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,640
it's like how do you categorize that and

1317
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,559
i'm trying to go to school and i'm like

1318
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,599
i i'm i was at a loss she was at a loss

1319
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,800
um and i didn't i wasn't a church girl i

1320
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,280
wasn't a jesus bible thumper or any of

1321
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,040
those things she was she prayed her

1322
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,880
brains out um that she still got

1323
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,359
attacked i didn't know what to think of

1324
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,440
that i'm like oh i'm being protected and

1325
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:41,680
the pentecostal girl is getting attacked

1326
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,800
well it seems it seems odd that if if

1327
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:47,440
you're having this encounter with these

1328
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,800
gray aliens um you chase them away and

1329
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,480
then in their place comes

1330
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,440
uh

1331
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:56,319
the shadow person um it almost seems

1332
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,280
like

1333
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,359
by displacing them you open the door to

1334
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,119
allow him to come in there

1335
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,960
but that's is that is that what you

1336
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,359
think is the case or not so much

1337
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,680
it well at the time i didn't even know

1338
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,319
what to i just really didn't know i i

1339
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,559
was so at a loss and so

1340
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,280
frustrated and felt so violated by these

1341
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,960
things coming around

1342
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:19,440
as they were so boldly and

1343
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,160
and

1344
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,640
i felt they wanted to kill me every time

1345
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,559
every time i knew these things were

1346
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,040
trying to kill me and it's something

1347
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,800
else to have that

1348
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,200
be projected your way of

1349
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,640
utter death

1350
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,720
so it was difficult

1351
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,119
that yeah it's crazy i'm um

1352
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,960
are you familiar with ray hernandez of

1353
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,400
free

1354
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:42,720
oh yeah i had on my show before actually

1355
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,440
and i'm part of the free organization oh

1356
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,960
are you really i didn't know that

1357
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,440
yeah yeah they're fun

1358
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:52,000
well the last last episode was with ray

1359
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,200
and um

1360
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,200
you know he's convinced that

1361
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,920
the um these non-human intelligences

1362
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,760
slash and or

1363
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,680
um and he's saying not specifically

1364
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:03,760
grey's a whole wide variety of species

1365
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,520
but um these non-human intelligences are

1366
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:08,960
bene

1367
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:13,359
there's a lot of them

1368
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,480
what about what about you

1369
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,720
i i think that there's

1370
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,240
i think there's some you know i don't

1371
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,240
want to knock anybody for what they feel

1372
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,240
to be true for themselves because they

1373
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,240
their experiences may be you know what

1374
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,559
what they are but um

1375
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,640
for me it's like

1376
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,559
i i know what i've i've gone through i

1377
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,119
know what i've dealt with and uh

1378
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,200
i know that these beings are very much

1379
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,599
like humans there's some rotten low down

1380
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,200
ones and there's some decent ones out

1381
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,480
there uh so to categorize them as being

1382
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,280
angelic and all being good and and

1383
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,400
awesome i i don't go into that

1384
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,800
for myself because i i don't feel that's

1385
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,200
uh that i don't feel that's the reality

1386
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,280
of things and i've now this is

1387
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,480
interesting when i was part of these

1388
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,520
fields

1389
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,880
it's not my experience and it's not the

1390
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:02,960
experience of all those that i sat

1391
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,160
alongside of for years dealing with

1392
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:08,800
alien abductions and um

1393
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:13,200
being raped violated beaten experimented

1394
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:14,079
on

1395
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:18,720
again have their baby fetus stolen from

1396
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,200
their uterus and have a doctor tell them

1397
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,000
your uterus digested your baby well i

1398
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,400
mean i've i've seen it all

1399
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,240
and to see these people suffer the way

1400
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:29,760
that they did

1401
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,559
now this was interesting i watched this

1402
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,720
the wave come through of you know people

1403
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,119
being angry and sitting there i had a

1404
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,079
ufo group myself for over 15 years and

1405
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,000
and these people would complain and cry

1406
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,319
and be so angry and then they started

1407
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:46,640
changing they the aliens started telling

1408
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,280
them

1409
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,400
you're special you're chosen we're doing

1410
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,480
this for your own good just like you're

1411
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,240
being when you were a kid and pushed off

1412
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,400
to school you didn't want to go but your

1413
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,480
parents knew it was good for you

1414
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,880
and these people started changing and

1415
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:03,280
loving these beings that were abusing

1416
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:04,160
them

1417
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,359
and uh

1418
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:07,839
i i just i'm like hold on but they raped

1419
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,119
you yes but i needed that what what come

1420
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,599
on now that's not good you know if

1421
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,119
somebody if i had a friend that kept

1422
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:17,200
coming over and and they kept hitting me

1423
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,800
in the head i wouldn't want that friend

1424
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,720
over anymore i wouldn't think you know

1425
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,720
it doesn't hurt anymore no

1426
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:24,480
i i couldn't understand what i was

1427
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,400
seeing what i was witnessing and uh so

1428
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,880
stockholm syndrome came to mind i i

1429
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,559
didn't know how to categorize it but

1430
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,559
these beings started changing in some of

1431
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,640
the things they were doing as far as

1432
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,400
after the abuse

1433
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,839
they'd have them sit down and learn a

1434
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,319
language learn their language

1435
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,839
have them help them abduct other humans

1436
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,160
calm the humans down and and say it's

1437
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,960
okay look i'm here i'm like wow so

1438
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,400
you're assisting in other people's

1439
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,960
abductions and abuse i

1440
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,760
it's changed it changed out there and i

1441
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,160
i never felt that it was a positive

1442
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,440
situation

1443
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,480
um

1444
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,359
i don't know how or why people changed

1445
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,440
and all at once it seemed like they were

1446
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,079
all moving in that direction and a lot

1447
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,880
of people still sit in that category um

1448
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,799
however there's a lot that are like heck

1449
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,319
no i'm not being fooled those guys are

1450
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:17,280
rotten

1451
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,240
um

1452
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,720
yeah that's crazy well yeah he and i

1453
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,280
were discussing and that my my concern

1454
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,480
was

1455
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,880
whether you think the experience is

1456
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:28,480
positive or not

1457
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:32,160
um you know is it like the experience of

1458
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:33,280
um

1459
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,319
a sea

1460
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,799
turtle tortoise who is rescued because

1461
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,000
it's injured it doesn't understand

1462
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,240
what's happening but these crazy humans

1463
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,480
just kind of reach down grab it pick it

1464
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,720
up give it shots it passes out it's an

1465
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,240
incubation for weeks and they finally

1466
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,920
release it back up to sea and the

1467
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,839
tortoise is like what the hell just

1468
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,359
happened

1469
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:53,920
and yeah it was a good thing but it was

1470
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,359
in shock it was extraordinarily stressed

1471
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,599
but yeah but it was probably or it was

1472
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:01,680
probably numbed though for the the

1473
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,880
surgical procedure it needed

1474
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,960
yeah well sure sure and and but i'm

1475
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,040
thinking well you know humans and i you

1476
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,079
know no offenses to tortoises but uh

1477
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,960
humans are a different sort of intellect

1478
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,839
and

1479
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,880
so

1480
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,720
you can communicate with us i even i

1481
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,319
feel like even if you're at a higher

1482
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:21,920
level of intelligence

1483
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,640
we're humans and we we can converse

1484
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,440
we're self-aware so

1485
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,200
i don't think it's right

1486
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,400
to just

1487
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,920
step into my mind and control it or to

1488
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,160
you know even even if it's supposedly a

1489
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:38,000
beneficial

1490
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,440
action i

1491
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,200
i don't know i just have a hard time

1492
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:43,280
with that

1493
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,710
uh as far as what what element what do

1494
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,599
you

1495
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,319
well of just like losing not having

1496
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,920
control like having something come into

1497
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,240
your life and and just go i'm taking

1498
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,559
over now so much for your own will

1499
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,280
abduction in any sense of the word is

1500
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,319
never good abduction the word abduction

1501
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,359
against your will forcing you forcefully

1502
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,319
that is not good it is just not good i i

1503
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,839
don't see how that act alone would be

1504
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:16,240
seen as positive it i just i don't

1505
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,280
understand

1506
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,119
how that can be interpreted in that form

1507
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,079
even just starting from point a all

1508
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,079
right well isn't it isn't it the case

1509
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,160
with you know an abusive relationship

1510
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,520
anyway like

1511
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,559
i i could come in you know not me let's

1512
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:32,079
you know take me out of this equation

1513
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,359
someone can go

1514
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,119
someone can do something to another

1515
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,440
person and

1516
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,760
um physically harm them and then tell

1517
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,000
that child oh

1518
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,799
um well it you know i love you

1519
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,960
you know and i care about you and i know

1520
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,440
you don't understand it now but i do

1521
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,480
um and this is the best thing for you

1522
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:53,599
um

1523
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,319
it doesn't make what they did any better

1524
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,920
it doesn't and especially when they

1525
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,200
repeat it and then they get their

1526
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,359
friends in on it and it's organized for

1527
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,960
years and years and years and it goes

1528
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,520
generation to generation and everybody

1529
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,920
joins in the abuse of that person it's

1530
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,799
it's horrible it's it's really twisted

1531
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,720
twisted stuff

1532
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:14,319
but then you do have the the occasion

1533
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,119
where

1534
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,920
people have um an experience and they

1535
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:20,079
sense a a positive energy coming from a

1536
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,359
beings and

1537
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,960
you know they tell them

1538
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:24,960
all these beautiful things about their

1539
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,760
future and metaphysics um

1540
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:29,280
yes

1541
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,079
yeah

1542
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,079
that's the element i think that gets

1543
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,440
people i think people start to feel

1544
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,640
helpless

1545
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,559
and then they focus in on the the good

1546
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,760
thing like if they had a rotten

1547
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,280
childhood and they'll focus on the one

1548
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,680
time mom took him to the park you know

1549
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,000
it's like yes does it really cover it

1550
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,160
all up i mean you know what's happened

1551
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,240
to you for years and and how they've

1552
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,079
yanked your kid out of your arms and

1553
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:51,680
abused them and

1554
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,280
i i'm i'm blown away with it and uh

1555
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,200
you know things are changing out there

1556
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,319
they're they're really changing because

1557
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:00,720
i watch my emails go from

1558
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,440
uh aliens to shadow people to the hatman

1559
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,319
and the the terror and the the alien

1560
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,839
abductions

1561
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:12,480
i'll tell you there's a big discussion i

1562
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,599
could have with you i don't know when

1563
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:16,720
our break is coming up but um

1564
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,400
i had a guest on who was in charge of um

1565
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,880
alien abduction reports and i asked

1566
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,880
outright i said they're they're not

1567
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,640
happening are they and it's nope they

1568
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,040
sure aren't they're changing

1569
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,559
right there holder right there we'll

1570
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,160
pick up with that comment when we come

1571
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,920
back from this quick break this is alan

1572
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,359
b smith our paranormal now on the

1573
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:36,880
inception radio network my guest is

1574
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:39,920
heidi hollis and we are speaking dark

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01:00:45,350 --> 01:00:49,030
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01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,589
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01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,000
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1583
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,960
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1584
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:13,119
you see um well there's a mommy and a

1585
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daddy right right and see when they call

1586
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01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,710
and welcome back to paranormal now this

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01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:23,039
is zombie smith your host my guest is

1611
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,559
heidi hollis and taking side of the

1612
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:26,880
break was on fire by the ka'o crater

1613
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,480
boys from hawaii and on the lead ukulele

1614
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,880
was ravi fernandez if you have not heard

1615
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,319
of him before go to youtube and check

1616
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,960
this guy out he's phenomenal i love

1617
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,000
these guys

1618
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,720
all right so we were speaking of many a

1619
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,119
dark thing and um

1620
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,039
and i don't say that lightly because

1621
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:47,839
actually people do have these horrific

1622
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,640
horrific experiences that are indeed

1623
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:53,119
traumatic um

1624
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,880
and i think personally one of the issues

1625
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:56,160
that i have

1626
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,319
and i'm sure you probably feel the same

1627
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,640
way heidi is that

1628
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,559
you know to boohoo people having these

1629
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,720
odd paranormal experiences

1630
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,200
is one thing but

1631
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,640
when you realize that these people are

1632
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,039
one sincere and they've been through a

1633
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,119
traumatic experience

1634
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:15,119
then

1635
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,079
you are

1636
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,160
ignoring them to the the to their

1637
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,240
detriment to

1638
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,079
their pain

1639
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,839
they need sometimes people really need

1640
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:25,200
someone to talk to

1641
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,559
um

1642
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,039
you know and you know you don't want to

1643
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,799
be ostracized and so you keep it all

1644
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,920
inside

1645
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,400
and um i feel like people are victimized

1646
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,799
simply by being ignored or made fun of

1647
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:39,039
oh gosh yes i i

1648
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:39,920
get

1649
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,839
i have told no one

1650
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,160
i don't have anyone to talk to i don't

1651
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:47,839
want to be you know like you said

1652
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,760
ridiculed her or whatnot and uh

1653
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,640
i i feel terrible that these folks are

1654
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,720
sitting there surrounded by people who

1655
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:58,240
quote love them

1656
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,559
and yet they don't

1657
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,280
open up the doors for them to vent about

1658
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,319
such a thing i mean it is uh it's very

1659
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,400
isolating it's it's kind of kind of

1660
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,720
abusive in a sense because

1661
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,960
these people get severely depressed some

1662
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:15,680
get suicidal some are horrified they get

1663
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,400
insomnia they get depression i i mean

1664
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:21,039
it's just it's horrific what goes on out

1665
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,640
there and i i i get uh

1666
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,039
i get these these emails that bring

1667
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,000
tears to my eyes honestly it's i got a i

1668
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:32,240
got a call i'm not kidding you two

1669
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,440
nights ago

1670
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,680
uh from facebook out of nowhere i'm like

1671
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,839
who's trying to call me on facebook and

1672
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,559
a gentleman from scotland he's like my

1673
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,760
girlfriend just woke me up she was

1674
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:43,839
attacked i'm like oh my gosh you know

1675
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,280
it's it is constantly going on and it's

1676
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,200
sad that people have to turn to someone

1677
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,359
on the other side of the planet to try

1678
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,760
to help address these these issues and i

1679
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:55,520
i welcome people to reach out i mean

1680
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:56,480
that's

1681
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,680
what i'm here for honestly i i feel like

1682
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,520
this is this is this is one of the

1683
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,680
things that i came to this planet for is

1684
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:04,799
to

1685
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,280
a victim of this stuff well why why is

1686
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,880
it do you think that

1687
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:14,880
people can be religious

1688
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,760
but then you share a story like this

1689
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,760
of shadow people and somehow you're

1690
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:21,359
crazy

1691
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,079
i mean isn't religion paranormal

1692
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,319
it is it's all supernatural i mean jesus

1693
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,200
walking on water come on now i mean

1694
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,400
what are we talking about here are

1695
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,240
healing birds falling from the sky to

1696
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:35,119
feed everybody i mean

1697
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:36,000
it's

1698
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,599
i think that uh

1699
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,960
i mean the bible has some mythical

1700
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,280
beasts even i mean it's not yeah you

1701
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,520
know it's i don't unders i just don't

1702
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:45,039
understand if you claim to be a

1703
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:46,559
religious person

1704
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,870
for some reason

1705
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:52,559
people feel that well the bible's

1706
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,280
written god's done talking um i'm like

1707
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:58,079
this is a living breathing god why would

1708
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,799
he

1709
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,559
you know suddenly turn away and stop

1710
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,319
talking to people or helping to

1711
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:05,280
influence good situations or inspire

1712
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,559
people

1713
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,480
you know just because a book is written

1714
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,039
you know yes that's an important book of

1715
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:14,000
course but my goodness we we have to be

1716
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,200
open to

1717
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,240
uh god's suggestions and and taken

1718
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,559
seriously when he has said something

1719
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:22,319
people are so

1720
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,880
worried that

1721
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,720
misinterpretation is going to happen

1722
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:28,960
that's that oh did you test the spirit

1723
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,839
was it really god it's like hold on you

1724
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,000
you're reading a book that's over 2 000

1725
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:35,760
years old were you sitting there when

1726
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,760
they wrote this down you know did you

1727
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,319
test it no you took the word of somebody

1728
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,960
else that they read it they interpreted

1729
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:44,799
something properly and they put it in a

1730
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,680
book i it's i think that a lot gets

1731
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,240
missed out there because people are so

1732
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,799
afraid to open up their minds to other

1733
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:55,520
possibilities because of a rule that was

1734
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,480
placed on god that there are no rules to

1735
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:59,920
be placed on

1736
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,799
so

1737
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:02,880
i find it kind of hilarious and sad at

1738
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,920
the same time because i i feel if

1739
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,960
if people

1740
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:07,760
could

1741
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,960
really really ultimately believe one

1742
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,160
supernatural story just one like really

1743
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,839
really get it

1744
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,520
i would change their world it would

1745
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:19,199
change their their life just as it's

1746
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,560
changed the lives of the people who

1747
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:23,040
experienced something supernatural and

1748
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,719
knew it happened

1749
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,719
so much could happen in this world and

1750
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:27,600
uh

1751
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,440
i i find it very painful to witness

1752
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:33,600
the closing off of what i feel is the

1753
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:36,960
full human potential i really do

1754
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:41,199
yeah yeah i remember when i had um

1755
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:44,319
my ufo sighting i was around nine uh 12

1756
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,080
years old and so 12 is just old enough

1757
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,880
they are beginning to leave childhood

1758
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:54,000
and i remember distinctly after that

1759
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:58,000
telling myself do not forget this

1760
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:58,960
people

1761
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,159
are gonna assume that you were a child

1762
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,719
and that this experience wasn't real

1763
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:06,400
and it wasn't i

1764
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,600
there was another witness with me um

1765
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,839
and but i knew then you know

1766
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,480
that i would be ostracized as or

1767
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,759
wow

1768
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,679
yeah you know i just thought okay i

1769
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,759
can't forget this you know i can't let

1770
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:20,880
my

1771
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,719
oh you're just being silly you're you're

1772
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:26,400
a child so

1773
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,640
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 you know on through

1774
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:32,480
the next couple decades

1775
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,600
um

1776
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:35,759
it just i kept it at the the front of my

1777
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,960
memory because i did not ever want to

1778
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,040
i i feel like i would have betrayed not

1779
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,359
only myself but other people who have

1780
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,120
had similar experiences

1781
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,960
if i just became one of those people who

1782
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,880
just thought oh i was probably just a

1783
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,960
kid

1784
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,960
and i think everyone at any age when you

1785
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,719
have paranormal experience you feel like

1786
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,600
that

1787
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,679
you know you want some validation and

1788
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,199
you don't want to forget it even if it

1789
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,199
was a bad experience because

1790
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:04,080
it was your experience and you know

1791
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,120
that there are people out there that

1792
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,920
want to take that away from you and um

1793
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,159
either demean undermine it or

1794
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,640
usurp it and um

1795
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,400
yeah anyway so i feel very strongly

1796
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,239
about that now granted i mean it doesn't

1797
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,239
change the fact that i'm sure people

1798
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,840
have hallucinations

1799
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,360
right i mean we know that oh yeah that's

1800
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,280
a real that's a real thing

1801
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,040
um i guess the hard thing is to figure

1802
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,800
out how do you know

1803
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:29,040
did i hallucinate something did i

1804
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,159
hallucinate something that looks like a

1805
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,840
shadow man or was that really a shadow

1806
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:33,360
man you know

1807
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:34,239
well

1808
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,360
you know i

1809
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,480
i i find it pretty funny that uh you

1810
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,480
know people question their eyes you know

1811
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,159
like oh my eyes are playing tricks on me

1812
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,600
i'm like are those the same eyes that

1813
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:46,239
drive you back and forth to work

1814
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:47,120
right now

1815
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,400
yeah i should say that when i see it

1816
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,960
we'll see a green light or red light

1817
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:53,360
yeah you know what that's probably a red

1818
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,880
light i'm just gonna

1819
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,080
yeah

1820
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,400
it's just so funny i'm like wow why did

1821
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,719
we question our own freaking eyeballs

1822
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,199
all of a sudden because it was too weird

1823
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:04,719
you know

1824
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:07,600
i i find it kind of it's it's comical

1825
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:08,719
but

1826
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,080
i i get it i get it trying to you know

1827
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,040
explain it away and you know try to make

1828
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:17,440
make do with your life and uh you know i

1829
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,280
i get that oh i hear firecrackers um

1830
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:22,719
but

1831
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,640
and uh i think

1832
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:30,560
i think if people started treating these

1833
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,040
topics like they would any other topic

1834
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:36,159
uh with a sense of humor a joke

1835
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,120
you know

1836
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,600
humanly flawed as possible instead of

1837
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,199
putting a flashlight under their chin

1838
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,840
and trying to speak very spookily about

1839
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,520
it and clear the room i could clear a

1840
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,880
room like

1841
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,120
nobody else but if i want people to

1842
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,199
really understand and if i want them to

1843
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,000
ask curious questions and to learn i

1844
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,199
speak as myself i i do crack jokes i do

1845
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,560
have a good time talking about this

1846
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,640
stuff i don't try to freak them out i

1847
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,480
want to be approachable i want them to

1848
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,000
learn and i want them to get this

1849
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,960
because again i feel that

1850
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,960
the paranormal is not something that's a

1851
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:11,040
possibility it's a threat that it's

1852
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,880
gonna happen at some point in a person's

1853
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:14,800
life especially the dark stuff

1854
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,360
unfortunately

1855
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:19,600
yeah actually our cat was just walking

1856
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,120
by and and i was wondering do do you

1857
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,679
have you had experiences with with cats

1858
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,679
um or animals that also have a sense of

1859
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:29,520
these beings

1860
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:30,480
um

1861
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:35,920
absolutely unaware i don't know what was

1862
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:38,719
wrong with him he was a very spiritual

1863
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,280
little stinker but he was just his

1864
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,440
sister starship wasn't any help either

1865
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,800
or earthling um so anyways

1866
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,080
but

1867
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,360
with names like that i mean come on

1868
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,280
they're they're brothers and sisters and

1869
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:54,800
i'm like next one's going to be named

1870
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,560
human but um i did have a cat

1871
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,239
normalize it a little bit

1872
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:03,040
just a little i had a cat named pyramid

1873
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,159
and um this is interesting okay this was

1874
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,239
not this was not the cat being aware of

1875
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,320
something this is this is just so

1876
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,760
twisted um so one day i my cat is a

1877
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,560
solid black cat very quiet but he had a

1878
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,040
little white pyramid patch on his chest

1879
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,640
and that's all you could see on him that

1880
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:22,239
was white um

1881
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,440
i came home

1882
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,760
and he was meowing like crazy as a super

1883
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,320
duper quiet cat i'm like oh no you know

1884
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,760
i figured when the shadow people

1885
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,679
attacked him like this is not good i'm

1886
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,840
like pyramid pyramid are you okay and

1887
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,440
he's underneath my futon in the living

1888
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,679
room so i got on all fours

1889
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,080
and he's just meow meow meow and

1890
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,320
and i'm like oh no you know i'm reaching

1891
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:43,920
towards him and i can see his white

1892
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,480
teeth lighting up in the darkness as i'm

1893
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,080
reaching for him

1894
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,360
and uh

1895
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:50,960
this is crazy

1896
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,840
i felt something brush up behind me

1897
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,080
and i'm like i turn my head i'm all i'm

1898
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,840
on all fours i've got my hand reached

1899
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:59,760
out and i'm saying pyramid pyramid come

1900
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,560
on

1901
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,480
and uh i feel something brush up behind

1902
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,159
me i turn my head

1903
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,040
and it's my quiet black cat

1904
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,960
saying yes you called you know like i'm

1905
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,760
like

1906
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,320
what the heck am i trying to reach for

1907
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,840
you know it's like in the part in the

1908
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,040
movie when you don't know it's the

1909
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,040
monster and then you realize your hand

1910
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,640
is next to the monster

1911
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,199
i turned my attention back to this thing

1912
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,600
and it said meow

1913
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:25,199
oh

1914
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,520
i was almost parallel i couldn't even

1915
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:33,040
speak i was

1916
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:34,000
just

1917
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,480
kitty

1918
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,199
and i just like was panting and backed

1919
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:43,199
my way out of the apartment and closed

1920
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,719
the door and just

1921
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,360
oh i didn't know what to think i didn't

1922
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,199
know what to think it was horrifying i

1923
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,600
mean do you think that once you have

1924
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,280
opened that door

1925
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,239
you know and you've had these

1926
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,560
experiences do you think that

1927
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,480
um

1928
01:15:01,270 --> 01:15:00,480
susceptible is the right word

1929
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,280
but

1930
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,199
do you have more of them once you have

1931
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:04,560
that first one

1932
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,679
because that just seems like someone

1933
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,120
just stepped in to mess with you that's

1934
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,800
that's terrible

1935
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:10,560
it is but it goes to show how these

1936
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:12,159
shadow beings can

1937
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,520
mock things appear as other things i

1938
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:17,520
i just i did not even know how to

1939
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:20,320
categorize that one um but i think that

1940
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,199
there is a sort of contagion even with

1941
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,000
these types of phenomena um

1942
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,320
i have had like i said i had a ufo

1943
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,880
paranormal discussion group for over 15

1944
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,800
years and people would just come because

1945
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,480
they were curious and like oh this is

1946
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,320
neat and the next month they show up

1947
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,920
they're like i saw something and i'm

1948
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,280
like whoa

1949
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,679
how'd that happen you know it's like one

1950
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,840
lady she saw a ufo land on the side of

1951
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,000
the freeway i'm like what

1952
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,760
you know she'd been wanting to see

1953
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,520
something all her life and she comes

1954
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,679
into the meeting i'm like did you know

1955
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,679
was there something in the kool-aid what

1956
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,760
you know so

1957
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,920
it seems like when you're open to

1958
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,440
understanding and realizing other

1959
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,199
realities other realities come and take

1960
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,000
a look at you for looking at them

1961
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,239
it's the best that i can figure but i

1962
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:07,920
think some of us are a little bit more

1963
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,400
in tune as well my my entire family is

1964
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,440
pretty much

1965
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,280
in tune um

1966
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,120
i grew up in a haunted house we all

1967
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,440
experienced something and um

1968
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,520
didn't make sense and it's never quite

1969
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:21,840
stopped it didn't matter where i lived

1970
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,199
odd things would happen i just uh

1971
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:27,120
i just started being able to see more

1972
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,560
clearly i think as i got older and uh

1973
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,640
but there came a point where i didn't

1974
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,560
want to see anymore and i put my foot

1975
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,120
down about it and it actually worked

1976
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,440
where things slow down for me um

1977
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:41,760
because it's it's really something to

1978
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,600
to live your life i mean i saw a

1979
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,560
headless woman alan i was done

1980
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,480
i saw a headless woman

1981
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,280
and that was so through

1982
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:53,440
i i just what was the context of this

1983
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,600
what had that oh gosh i was um i was i

1984
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,120
lived in this house

1985
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,040
that my friend owned

1986
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:02,719
and i just finished up with college and

1987
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,000
i'm i'm in my room and

1988
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:07,920
i like again i wake up with something

1989
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,000
weird is in the room and i wake up and

1990
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,000
this place i don't know if it was

1991
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,400
haunted if it was me i just my friend

1992
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,239
was remodeling so she probably woke up

1993
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,000
some things i don't know

1994
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,800
and this night i was really tired and i

1995
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:23,280
felt something that's in the room and i

1996
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:24,560
roll over

1997
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,600
and here is this

1998
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,400
this lady is wearing like a white dress

1999
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:32,080
that's pulled in at the center she was a

2000
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,600
little chunky short and she was so solid

2001
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:37,920
with no head i'm like

2002
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,760
come on i was so mad i'm like i can't do

2003
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,320
this every night and she was so solid

2004
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:46,719
and i'm like go away and i didn't even

2005
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,080
like usually i'll get up and turn a

2006
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:49,360
light on

2007
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,280
you know and just like kind of do a

2008
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,000
dance of uh heebie-jeebies or something

2009
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,640
i reached at her and i was making the

2010
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:58,719
sign of the cross i'm like in jesus name

2011
01:18:04,709 --> 01:17:59,600
go

2012
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,719
attempts and i'm like almost touching

2013
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:07,040
her she was very solid

2014
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:08,000
and

2015
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,280
could finally go back to sleep

2016
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,679
i don't know how much time i slept and i

2017
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:17,840
felt something was in the room again

2018
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,560
i roll back over and it was just her

2019
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,320
head where it should have been the first

2020
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:25,440
time i'm like really really

2021
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,880
oh my gosh

2022
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,960
i pulled the covers over my head and i

2023
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:30,719
just went back to sleep and the next

2024
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,239
morning i was so tired i was like

2025
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,320
you know what i stomped around the whole

2026
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,880
place i'm like i don't care why you died

2027
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,400
i don't want to know i'm not going to

2028
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,239
help you i don't want to see you i don't

2029
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:44,320
want to deal with this anymore and i i

2030
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,640
mean i meant it with every ounce of me

2031
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,880
i'm like i'm off limits

2032
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,280
and you know what things got quiet for

2033
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,360
me and i did not

2034
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,320
see as the the same level ever again as

2035
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,880
i once did i still see things at times

2036
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,080
but it's not

2037
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,800
like every freaking place and every

2038
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,480
night i mean

2039
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,280
it was it was disturbing and i don't

2040
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:09,520
consider myself psychic or anything i i

2041
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,400
felt like i was unlucky

2042
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,800
that things just reared their ugly heads

2043
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,960
my way and uh but

2044
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,199
the odd thing is it wasn't all ugly too

2045
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,360
i mean i'd seen like angelic like beings

2046
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,159
i had jesus encounters i i'd experienced

2047
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,880
a lot of cool things as well and when i

2048
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:28,560
put my foot down about the negative

2049
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:31,440
stuff the positive stuff also

2050
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,880
slowed down and faded to an extent so um

2051
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,280
didn't all go away but i'm like wow if

2052
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:38,960
you close off that

2053
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,840
portal to yourself everything could come

2054
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,679
your way and everything cannot come your

2055
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,840
way if you close it off you know so

2056
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,280
it's uh

2057
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:49,600
it was a wild experience

2058
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:51,520
but you know but it seems to me that

2059
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,640
some people

2060
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,000
you know they have

2061
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,320
this supernatural experience and it just

2062
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,679
opens

2063
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,600
their perception their doors of

2064
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:01,280
perception as it were

2065
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,199
a little bit wider and it allows

2066
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:08,320
more things to be experienced and seen

2067
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,760
if you're just listening

2068
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,440
now tuning in to the inception radio

2069
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,520
network live feed from which this

2070
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,239
podcast is broadcasting on

2071
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,719
we are listening to heidi hollis um she

2072
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,239
is the host of the outlander on the

2073
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:22,159
inception radio network a fantastic show

2074
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,159
so please tune in to her whenever you

2075
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:26,960
get a chance and she's also the author

2076
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,320
of uh many a book her new book um which

2077
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,360
is not quite out yet is the other f word

2078
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:35,600
and um she's going to take a leap of

2079
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:36,400
faith

2080
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:37,760
and

2081
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,440
discuss matters that she's not yet um

2082
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:43,679
thoroughly written about um unless have

2083
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,320
you blogged about this before have you

2084
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,080
sort of worked your way up into making a

2085
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,000
book or is this just like a whole new

2086
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,600
adventure for you

2087
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:53,679
um you know my second book was called

2088
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,960
jesus is no joke that's when i uh i had

2089
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,800
those encounters with jesus when i was

2090
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:01,600
finishing up the secret war book and

2091
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,520
i seen him more than once and it was so

2092
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,679
just eye-opening and so

2093
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,040
it's nothing i could have ever

2094
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,120
anticipated and

2095
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:12,880
i tell people i feel like i cheated in

2096
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,760
my faith because i sure didn't earn it

2097
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,080
he showed up and almost smacked me

2098
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,159
upside the head and said hey stop

2099
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:22,719
writing badly about me um

2100
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,600
but so i i think

2101
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,600
honestly i feel it's my most highly

2102
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,520
achieved book the jesus is no joke book

2103
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,840
it sat number one for eight months on

2104
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,320
amazon in its category but people don't

2105
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,080
know me for that book they're all about

2106
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:38,480
ooh scare us heidi with some demon talk

2107
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,679
but um

2108
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,000
i always add ever since i had my jesus

2109
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:43,520
encounters

2110
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:47,910
some

2111
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,880
religious aspects to

2112
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,040
my books i mean i should say spiritual

2113
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,480
aspects not religious but it's really

2114
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,320
it's

2115
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,320
it really helped me to be able to even

2116
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:02,480
speak about any of this stuff because i

2117
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:03,280
was

2118
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,199
things coming at me left and right i

2119
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,280
didn't know what was going on and uh it

2120
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,120
took for me to have the jesus encounter

2121
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,280
the initial one to go oh

2122
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,159
you know i i i guess this is how i can

2123
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:18,560
fight fire with fire um

2124
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,880
i if i didn't have that i i i really

2125
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,560
feel those things were were aiming to

2126
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:25,040
kill me aiming to kill my roommate i

2127
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,080
mean

2128
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,320
it was it was awful it was threatening

2129
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:30,719
it was dark and

2130
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,239
it meant its threats you know um

2131
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,360
but it got to be

2132
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:39,120
really fulfilling and uplifting for

2133
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:40,960
myself to

2134
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:43,760
find out i was wrong i about the jesus

2135
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,719
stuff uh you know i he didn't come to me

2136
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,560
and say hi to you go to church i still

2137
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,199
don't go to church um

2138
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,920
i i i believe my

2139
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,400
faith religiously if that if that helps

2140
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,480
but um you know i believe in the bible i

2141
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,360
believe in the things that that jesus uh

2142
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:04,080
said and did and i mean who am i to

2143
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:05,840
doubt and question i i had my whole

2144
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,600
world you know

2145
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,600
flipped upside down and i

2146
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,760
i won't take it back for nothing i i

2147
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,920
love it i'm glad and some people feel

2148
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,760
like it wasn't that confusing you know

2149
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,280
you believe in aliens you believe in

2150
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:19,920
this and now jesus pops in i'm like i

2151
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:22,719
have perfect clarity i am perfectly fine

2152
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,840
and understanding uh everything and and

2153
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:28,560
how it all goes together and i believe i

2154
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,080
was one of the first researchers out

2155
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,239
there and authors to talk about

2156
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:34,639
uh this and when it comes to

2157
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:37,520
these so-called aliens the negative ones

2158
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:40,000
uh to use the name of jesus for it to go

2159
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:40,960
away

2160
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,239
and it works why why does that work

2161
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,600
i didn't i didn't understand that it's

2162
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,239
like why would that work why does it

2163
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,960
work with shadowed beings why does it

2164
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:53,040
work with the hat man

2165
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,320
it's

2166
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,239
just amazing to me

2167
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,000
i mean if i you know

2168
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,560
if i could take a more interpretive

2169
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,360
approach to that i guess you could say

2170
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:06,400
that whatever your

2171
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,000
invocation is of something that is um

2172
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,239
god-like and positive

2173
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,639
um it's the intention and the

2174
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,199
the spiritual connection to that to that

2175
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,120
light world of light

2176
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,360
that is what's actually

2177
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,920
creating the effect of

2178
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:25,280
and nice

2179
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,410
nice try agnostic

2180
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:28,560
[Laughter]

2181
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:34,790
like you said before if we're of a

2182
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,880
different religion

2183
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,480
then i'm not going to use jesus right

2184
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:40,400
i'm i'm going to use you know someone

2185
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,199
else

2186
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:44,159
um and that can work a shoe a shoe holy

2187
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:46,380
shoe throw the shoe i'm telling you

2188
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,760
[Laughter]

2189
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:51,760
aside from the shoe which may or may not

2190
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,880
be effective

2191
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,590
you know what if i'm jewish what do i

2192
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,280
what do i do then you know

2193
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,520
oh i've run into that i mean i've had

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muslim friends even

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01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:05,760
and uh you know i tell people you know

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01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,719
what your your idea of

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01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:10,480
the source of god

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01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:13,840
being is what you you focus on

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01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,040
i know jesus to work for me and i even

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01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:18,880
in the muslim faith they believe that he

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01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,840
is the one to take on the devil at some

2202
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,760
point so um

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01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:25,520
i don't know i mean

2204
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,280
i i have my biasedness of course but i i

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01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:31,600
i'll tell people to focus on

2206
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,360
uh their symbol of uh god you know um

2207
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,280
jesus

2208
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,080
i i cannot even tell you how many times

2209
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:42,400
i've been in these types of crazy

2210
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:45,040
situations with something so hideous

2211
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:46,800
coming my way and

2212
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,520
for that name alone to work but now i'll

2213
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,280
tell you the flip side of this i've had

2214
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,600
many of people write me i did that i

2215
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,080
tried that and didn't work and i blessed

2216
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,800
my house and da da da da and i'm like

2217
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,719
you know there's this film out and i

2218
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,120
can't recall it um it's a creep show or

2219
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:05,440
something and and uh this guy was

2220
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,840
hunting vampires and he pulled up a

2221
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:09,920
crucifix and he put it in front of the

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01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,239
vampire and the vampire laughed and

2223
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,400
grabbed it and he said you gotta have

2224
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:16,960
faith for that to work

2225
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:17,679
so

2226
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,320
it's not just blindly saying you know

2227
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:22,800
things out of habit it has to have some

2228
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:24,880
meaning behind it and that's why i feel

2229
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,520
the f word book is really

2230
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,600
really going to be something

2231
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:31,520
in the face of this stuff because i get

2232
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,239
it it's i cheated to get my faith how

2233
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,920
how am i gonna expect somebody to pull

2234
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:37,760
that out of their back pocket when i was

2235
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,199
bashing jesus in my book

2236
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,840
yes so well i was thinking back

2237
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,080
earlier when you were saying um

2238
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,560
your friend her father would run to her

2239
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:50,880
rescue as it were um

2240
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,600
because of the um the haunting of

2241
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,360
that was a tall man or shadow man that's

2242
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:58,080
a shadow shadow being a person yeah and

2243
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,520
in that moment

2244
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:01,040
um

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01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:04,239
him as a person is being truly

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01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:05,600
altruistic

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01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,480
and

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01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:08,960
you know the ego is is non-existent in

2249
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,080
that moment

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01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:12,320
right and um you know i wonder if just

2251
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,440
that action that action of pure love

2252
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,440
out of protection for his child is what

2253
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,719
chased

2254
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,080
you know not physically running into the

2255
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,080
room but that that intention of love is

2256
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,840
what chased the spirit away

2257
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:26,080
keep trying agnostic keep trying i'm

2258
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:27,280
just kidding

2259
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,719
but that's kind of what you were saying

2260
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,120
though right you're saying

2261
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:33,520
well to have that faith that that that

2262
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,199
is a sense of faith i don't know if uh

2263
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,199
you know i was running to my friend's

2264
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,040
defense she's screaming and bloody

2265
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,600
horror of something coming at her

2266
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:45,679
i i don't know but it startled the thing

2267
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:48,560
to leave i i don't know why i i don't

2268
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:51,520
think that these things have as much

2269
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,080
strength as we may think they do the

2270
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,080
human potential

2271
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,840
is so much more powerful if they could

2272
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,440
take us over they would have by now but

2273
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,920
they can't they have to convince us to

2274
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,080
allow them in convince us to kill

2275
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,320
ourselves i mean these are things that

2276
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,480
these beings are doing and i'll give an

2277
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:10,480
example of that um i don't know if we

2278
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:13,440
got a minute now um no you're good yeah

2279
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,719
okay so

2280
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,960
i i'm a therapist i had a student that i

2281
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,440
had a supervised at one point and every

2282
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,040
once in a while people's like oh that's

2283
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,760
a girl that writes those dark books you

2284
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:26,239
know on seattle people and and she's

2285
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:28,080
like what do you write about and i i

2286
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,440
told her and

2287
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:30,960
and she turned ghost white and she's

2288
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:33,760
like you know what i was three years old

2289
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,440
and i saw a fork on the floor and i saw

2290
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:39,360
an outlet and i looked at the fork and i

2291
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,800
looked at the outlet

2292
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,120
and i knew my mom told me not to stick

2293
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,199
anything in those outlets she said all

2294
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,800
of a sudden this man that was taller

2295
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,120
than the ceiling he had a crouch over

2296
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:51,760
on the ceiling came bent all the way

2297
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:54,800
down to within inches of her face

2298
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:58,639
and said go ahead stick it in

2299
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:02,400
i mean for a demon thing to encourage a

2300
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,880
three-year-old to kill herself

2301
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,120
what are we dealing with here

2302
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,040
this is this is just one of the

2303
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,840
thousands of stories i get

2304
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,880
it's mind-blowing it's disgusting and

2305
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:16,560
these things go after children

2306
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:19,120
especially the hat man and

2307
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,080
i've had

2308
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,400
people that were toddlers being attacked

2309
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,560
and threatened and for people to

2310
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,920
remember that they were a toddler is

2311
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:27,199
really weird but

2312
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,920
they remember the the demon the the the

2313
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,560
hat man threatening their souls their

2314
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,040
lives and knew if they screamed he would

2315
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:37,360
kill them i i've had somebody it was a

2316
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,239
kid of seven years old be hung

2317
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,320
by the hat man hung

2318
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,480
i mean just just horrible horrible

2319
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,960
things so these things are not as

2320
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,600
powerful as we believe they i believe

2321
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,679
that they encourage us to harm ourselves

2322
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,760
versus them

2323
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:55,920
actually physically being able to do it

2324
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,840
because they would have by now so don't

2325
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,000
doubt the human potential don't doubt

2326
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,880
what faith can do as well i i was

2327
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,280
nobody that had worse faith than than i

2328
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:07,520
did i believed god existed but i thought

2329
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,239
jesus was a historical figure who did

2330
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,080
his dance and left and but he did a lot

2331
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:13,920
of cool things you know but

2332
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,000
i surely wouldn't have guessed that uh

2333
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:18,480
he would come my way i i surely didn't

2334
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:21,520
feel worthy i would have never expected

2335
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,639
it and my friends who are religious

2336
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:26,639
they knew something had happened to me

2337
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,440
because all i could say is jesus is no

2338
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:31,280
joke and that's why i titled the book

2339
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:32,080
that

2340
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,600
my eighth my atheist friends are gonna

2341
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:46,149
anyway we're gonna be uh right back

2342
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:48,400
after this brief break we are speaking

2343
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,360
with uh heidi hollis the host of atlanta

2344
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,520
and um on the inception media network

2345
01:31:11,270 --> 01:30:55,520
and uh yeah so hang in there we'll be

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01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:14,390
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01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,679
air uh hi leanne long time listener

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01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:41,199
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01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,120
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carl

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everything was great i thought uh well

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you know

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01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,239
when you switched to geico you could

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save a lot of money on car insurance

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01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,199
alan b smith your host my guest is heidi

2383
01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:57,520
hollis and taking ass out of the break

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01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:59,600
it was all night long by lionel richie

2385
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:01,280
because i am going through an 80s phase

2386
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:03,679
that just does not seem to end and i

2387
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:04,960
don't know why

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01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:05,920
and

2389
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:07,840
the love of my life she's probably

2390
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:10,239
laughing right now as i speak because

2391
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:12,000
i'm killing her with the 80s music

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01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:14,000
anyway so

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if you are

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on instagram just do hashtag

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01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:33,120
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our cat because us cat people are

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01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:35,600
obsessed with our cats and that's what

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01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:39,120
we do um so my guest heidi hollis

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01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:41,120
is um

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01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,400
very well known in the paranormal

2407
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:44,320
community so my assumption would be most

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01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,360
of you probably have heard of her um but

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01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,600
if some of you have not

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01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:51,600
i'm sure that you're thoroughly enjoying

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01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,320
tonight's program because um

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01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:56,880
heidi has not only researched

2413
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:00,400
shadow people and the hat man um and had

2414
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,679
her own spiritual experiences um she's

2415
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,360
dealt directly

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01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,000
with some of these uh beings which um

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01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:10,080
gives her an advantage over many other

2418
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,520
researchers who are just you know

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01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:13,520
flipping through pages and you know

2420
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:16,560
interviewing other people um but with

2421
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:17,679
that said

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01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,480
um

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01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,639
i did are there any stories that you can

2424
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,480
think of off the top of your head that

2425
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,310
as a horrific experience

2426
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:30,960
and ended

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01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,590
oh and any any paranormal thing let me

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01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:39,520
think

2429
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:40,560
wow

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01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,639
that started off horrific and ended up

2431
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,719
nice i really know i know that you do

2432
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,040
get a lot of letters and yeah messages

2433
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,880
from people so i'm wondering if anyone

2434
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:50,960
has shared an experience where you know

2435
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:53,360
things ended okay they're okay

2436
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,400
oh they're okay i mean um i don't know

2437
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:58,320
if they they feel like they are

2438
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:00,320
spiritually okay i think a lot of them

2439
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:02,880
feel like they're spiritually screwed

2440
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:05,360
sadly um and i'm like no no you're not i

2441
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:06,400
mean

2442
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:08,960
why it's really sad that uh you know

2443
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,760
people feel because uh hat man has come

2444
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,080
for them and and they he really goes for

2445
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:16,480
their soul i mean he he pulls people

2446
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:17,679
right out of their bodies they're

2447
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,719
staring at him he yanks them out and

2448
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:22,560
starts beating them and saying i'm

2449
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:25,840
taking you with me huh hello um they

2450
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:27,600
really feel like he is going to get them

2451
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:29,840
one day he's seen walking out of rooms

2452
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:32,239
where people have just died i mean he's

2453
01:36:35,910 --> 01:36:33,440
he is

2454
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:35,920
i have had near-death experience authors

2455
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:38,080
come on that say oh light at the end of

2456
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:39,280
the tunnel i said yeah what about the

2457
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:40,560
ones i don't have like the end of town

2458
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,639
oh this man in a suit comes with a hat

2459
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:45,040
oh really you know so

2460
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,880
he is part of what what death is um

2461
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,880
bringing people to that point

2462
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:53,040
so if he's coming around too often i'd

2463
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:55,199
be worried yeah but it doesn't mean it's

2464
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,480
the end it doesn't mean that you're

2465
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,440
spiritually screwed eternally um

2466
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:01,199
there is there's always a way into your

2467
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,400
last breath

2468
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:04,159
to find

2469
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:05,199
the good

2470
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,280
to know that

2471
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,000
there is an opposite effect to what it

2472
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:13,920
is that you're you're staring at that

2473
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:16,960
you feel so threatened by so um

2474
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,119
yeah i i think that um

2475
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,440
one of the misinterpret interpretations

2476
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:24,000
that i hear out there are uh

2477
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:25,440
you know people who

2478
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,000
it's a small handful of people honestly

2479
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,560
who feel like i think the hat man's my

2480
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:32,719
guardian i'm like guardian really what'd

2481
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:33,600
he do

2482
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:34,639
well

2483
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,040
might come and threaten me sometimes but

2484
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:41,440
one time my abusive father got punched

2485
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:44,000
in the face by him i'm like oh that's a

2486
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:45,920
positive but

2487
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:49,760
i'm like okay you know honestly and and

2488
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,719
another misinterpretation is you know

2489
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:54,560
i guess this is kind of ego kind of

2490
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:57,450
talking a bit too where uh a person has

2491
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,119
[Music]

2492
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,920
been terrorized say by uh well i should

2493
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,760
say not terrorized but they witness the

2494
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,159
hat man he's menacing he's staring he

2495
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,080
hasn't done anything yet

2496
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,320
but the person isn't scared

2497
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,880
so they feel like he's okay i'm like so

2498
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,480
you're not scared of him because you see

2499
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,520
him so you know you're you're you're

2500
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:19,280
tough enough where you're not scared so

2501
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:20,719
he's a good guy i

2502
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:24,400
that is is really odd to me um you know

2503
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,320
people some a very small percentage of

2504
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,239
people feel that way so

2505
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:30,400
that's not even close to being good i

2506
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:31,280
mean

2507
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,990
yeah

2508
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,310
oh so he wants you to go to the pits of

2509
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:42,719
hell or wherever he wants to take you

2510
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,080
all right so you hit your dad in the

2511
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:46,320
face to gain your confidence i i mean

2512
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,360
wow i i don't get that

2513
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:51,600
yeah can you have an experience

2514
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,080
that is horrific and

2515
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:55,760
it opens you up to

2516
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,719
some other higher spiritual experience

2517
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,960
yeah i'm i have no idea i'm just asking

2518
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:02,639
this question you know i'm just

2519
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,960
wondering if if something can happen

2520
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:05,920
to you

2521
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,000
but you could be haunted or followed or

2522
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,719
creeped out or terrified um by a

2523
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:12,719
supernatural being and then somehow that

2524
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,119
leads to another revelation that turns

2525
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,600
out to be positive oh oh yeah you know

2526
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:19,199
i'll tell you something these dark

2527
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,800
things are not always attracted to a

2528
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,480
person because they're negative they're

2529
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,239
attracted to them because they're such a

2530
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:27,440
bright light much like flies to a flame

2531
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,159
um they want to block out the light in

2532
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,159
the person so oftentimes they're a

2533
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,480
gifted person who could see these dark

2534
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:35,920
things and maybe point them out to

2535
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:38,960
others like look out here comes um you

2536
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,320
know or or they're somebody who would

2537
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,639
see angelic beings and

2538
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,520
like for myself i i was so flooded with

2539
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:49,679
these dark entities coming around once i

2540
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,679
was able to get rid of them

2541
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,360
it was like angels and jesus was

2542
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:55,360
fluttering around i mean it was it was

2543
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,080
unbelievable i'm like wow so

2544
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,080
they're blocking out people's full

2545
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:02,239
potential they're trying to control

2546
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:03,520
their full potential they're trying to

2547
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,239
control their their future

2548
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,800
uh and and their impact so you know for

2549
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,719
those who think oh my gosh this stuff is

2550
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,840
coming at me because i played with the

2551
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:14,159
ouija board when i was 12. you know i'm

2552
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,840
like that might have attracted them

2553
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,560
initially but um you're not eternally

2554
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,880
screwed you do have the ability to be

2555
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:23,280
done with us and be done with them

2556
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:24,400
and uh

2557
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,199
and see the real potential come forward

2558
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,040
when you're able to clear yourself of

2559
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,199
this negative stuff and it happens all

2560
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:33,600
the time it really does so

2561
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,480
um

2562
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:37,040
it's and i'll tell people too

2563
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,159
it's like well they're like well what do

2564
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:40,880
i do you know it's like and and i'll say

2565
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,119
you know bless your house yourself

2566
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:45,280
and they they don't they're like oh okay

2567
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,400
you know i called the priest over it

2568
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,159
didn't help and i'm like no no i said

2569
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:49,440
what were you doing when the priest was

2570
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,800
there it's like well sitting in the

2571
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,040
corner i'm like well it's your house so

2572
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,280
so it has to be your faith that kicks

2573
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,679
this thing to the curb um

2574
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:59,280
i often hear it doesn't it i mean it

2575
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,920
doesn't work it's like well yeah and

2576
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:03,920
it's like oh sage the sage of the house

2577
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,920
i'm like are you native american no why

2578
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:07,920
are you doing that then i mean that's

2579
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:08,880
just

2580
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:16,000
don't get it get up that is interesting

2581
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,800
just

2582
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,480
like that's not what i was taught you

2583
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,159
just get a little water and little

2584
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,440
spring water and uh i use my cross

2585
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:25,600
necklace and i bless my house with that

2586
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:28,639
and i wear my cross necklace i i don't

2587
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:30,880
take mine off because um

2588
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,119
i mean imagine this i've had people

2589
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:35,040
about to call into my show or write me

2590
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,040
and and hat man or the shadow people

2591
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,800
really start abusing them and threaten

2592
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,639
them if they're going to reach out to me

2593
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,560
these things hate my guts and the

2594
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,880
feelings are mutual so um i know they're

2595
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,560
just waiting for an opportunity but

2596
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:48,239
they're not welcome in my home i sleep

2597
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,000
very well at night

2598
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,920
don't you know

2599
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,840
people don't know it's like how can i be

2600
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:55,119
okay

2601
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:58,639
these things especially hat man come for

2602
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,679
year after year night after night 40

2603
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,280
years i've had people

2604
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,040
write me i've had this thing come at me

2605
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,840
for 40 years imagine that living in that

2606
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,520
kind of terror

2607
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:11,760
and then i try to go to work and live a

2608
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,280
normal life it's it's not easy so

2609
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,040
every time people are ignoring the

2610
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,199
possibilities of the paranormal imagine

2611
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,119
those you are closing off

2612
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:23,520
and are essentially torturing them by

2613
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,119
not being open to these things i mean

2614
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:29,119
there's so much going on out there and

2615
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:33,040
um i i alluded to i i had a um spoke to

2616
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,560
somebody that was in charge of alien

2617
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,719
abductions and and how the alien

2618
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:38,560
reductions were changing

2619
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:41,199
and they're changing to be demonic

2620
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,800
this was from the

2621
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,960
lead person at mufon they're they're

2622
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:47,679
changing to be demonic and uh

2623
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,800
and it's like well hold on are the

2624
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,880
aliens looking any different no

2625
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,880
like yeah they're still demonic though

2626
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:55,040
huh they're possessing people causing

2627
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,480
people to do

2628
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,760
awful things

2629
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,960
and uh

2630
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,480
for the longest time i've always

2631
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,719
associated shadow people with alien

2632
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:04,480
beings they've been seen right alongside

2633
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:05,280
of them

2634
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,960
uh i mean i i watched this is crazy i i

2635
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:10,800
like i said i wake up when weird stuff

2636
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,600
was around i woke up

2637
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:15,360
because a shadow spider was like

2638
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,920
dropping down off the ceiling towards my

2639
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:18,960
face

2640
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,639
like it's just like an aliens movie i'm

2641
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,199
like oh no and and it

2642
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,080
goes to retract and it folded its legs

2643
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:29,119
in and it formed a gray alien being's

2644
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:29,920
face

2645
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:32,800
i'm like wow

2646
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,840
it retracted like like a robot would

2647
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,040
and kind of

2648
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:39,840
formed this this alien face is that

2649
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:42,639
not a robot it kind of like like morphed

2650
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,320
almost like like smokey morphing

2651
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:49,440
to a gray's face and i'm like i saw you

2652
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,719
i saw i sat up like i saw you i saw you

2653
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:54,000
i like you

2654
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,440
oh i was so just furious uh well what is

2655
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,119
the connection between those two what

2656
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:01,600
what what's going on there

2657
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,560
you know

2658
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,880
so there's there's reptilians there's

2659
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,840
praying mantis there's nordics

2660
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:09,440
those are the more common ones that are

2661
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:12,639
known to be somewhat abusive to people

2662
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:15,199
and then the grey beings of course and i

2663
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,639
couldn't understand the correlation

2664
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,239
between them either

2665
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,480
especially after i had personally been

2666
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:22,639
attacked by a reptilian being

2667
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,600
saying

2668
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,159
the white people are being abusive

2669
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,440
uh that these uh these different beings

2670
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,440
are abusive to

2671
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:33,040
people so these different beings are

2672
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,239
abusive and i'm like well what's the

2673
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,560
correlation between all these beings

2674
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,360
yeah what's that so the i just i'm sorry

2675
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,960
i just wanted to interject yeah i just

2676
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:42,239
always heard that the white the

2677
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:43,440
caucasian

2678
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,880
nordic people are supposed to be like

2679
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:46,159
these highly

2680
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:47,440
elevated

2681
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,080
you know progressive

2682
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,679
no not so much

2683
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:53,199
uh no there

2684
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,719
you you'll also hear the stories of them

2685
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:56,719
directing the grays on what to do a

2686
01:45:02,709 --> 01:44:59,440
travis walton's story his ultimate story

2687
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:02,719
was who was in charge oh the nordics

2688
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:06,080
i mean it's like he was quite

2689
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:07,679
i don't think what they did to him was a

2690
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:08,800
good thing

2691
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:11,520
i think he beat up a grey and a nordic

2692
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:13,679
came in he thought he was rescued they

2693
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:15,760
pinned him down it's like okay so no

2694
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,600
they're not good guys

2695
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:20,080
there i think there may be some you know

2696
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,960
that are not quite associated but uh

2697
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:24,719
they don't hang with the grays

2698
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,040
but um some people want to paint their

2699
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:28,639
gray to be the wonderful one i'm like

2700
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:32,320
great enjoy them i don't like them um

2701
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:33,040
but

2702
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,679
the one element that seems to connect

2703
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,239
all of them are the shadow beings

2704
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:40,719
these shadow beings are

2705
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,600
honestly pulling their strings

2706
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,840
influencing them just as they do people

2707
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:47,760
and so some of these beings are quite

2708
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,639
conquered by these shadow beings and uh

2709
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,239
it's a that's why i called my book the

2710
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:55,199
secret war we're battling

2711
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:58,000
an entity we always think oh revelation

2712
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:59,199
is going to be in the clouds we're all

2713
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:01,119
going to sit and see it apparently it's

2714
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,719
going on already in the privacy of

2715
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,080
people's homes

2716
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:06,159
they are having to deal

2717
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:09,520
with a battle for their soul and and not

2718
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,080
have a person to back them up oftentimes

2719
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:14,480
so imagine that they are fighting for

2720
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:17,199
their very souls light against dark

2721
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,080
and

2722
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:20,639
they have few to turn to for help

2723
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,400
and understanding what's going on

2724
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:23,520
um

2725
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:26,080
myself and that college roommate we

2726
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:27,679
experienced another being and that's a

2727
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,600
whole other element to this story uh a

2728
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,840
positive alien being

2729
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:36,000
who when the midst of all these shadow

2730
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,960
beings were coming and attacking and

2731
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:41,840
and here's my pentecostal strict

2732
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,440
roommate

2733
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,760
suddenly gets an alien

2734
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:47,679
jumps on the hood of her car and starts

2735
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:50,320
speaking through her and she was very

2736
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:51,920
closed off to these things by the way

2737
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,719
she

2738
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,480
hated the topic of aliens even though

2739
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,159
she saw odd things she didn't know how

2740
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:57,760
to categorize it

2741
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,560
and she had a being come start speaking

2742
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:02,400
through her

2743
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:06,080
speak

2744
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:07,360
and

2745
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,400
just didn't even know what to think of

2746
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:18,800
it it was so

2747
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:22,480
so out of this world um i i to to

2748
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:24,239
give a little bit of insight on it i

2749
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:26,000
mean we

2750
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,600
she went to school

2751
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,159
i'm i'm sitting at home she calls me

2752
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,480
crying hysterically something jumped on

2753
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:34,480
the hood of her car i'm like what are

2754
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:37,520
you talking about we meet up later we're

2755
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:39,840
sitting at the i'm from milwaukee

2756
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:42,960
sitting at the lakefront talking and

2757
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:45,040
and she's like it was the it was the

2758
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,719
wildest thing she's like but it wasn't

2759
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:48,960
scary and like well what do you mean you

2760
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:50,960
saw an alien i don't get it

2761
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,119
and then she says and she's puerto rican

2762
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:55,360
very thick accent and she goes

2763
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:57,440
i feel like i need to meditate i'm like

2764
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:59,119
meditate we're talking about an alien on

2765
01:48:01,030 --> 01:48:00,000
the hood of your car what are you

2766
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:01,040
talking about i don't even know if she

2767
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,199
meditates she closes her eyes for a

2768
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:05,360
split second and all of a sudden her

2769
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,199
accent reduces

2770
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:08,800
and she says

2771
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:10,639
i've been waiting to speak to you for a

2772
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,360
very long time and i'm like huh

2773
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:15,920
i'm like samantha what what's going on

2774
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:18,159
it's like oh this is not samantha i'm

2775
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:19,199
like

2776
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,159
oh

2777
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,400
i'm like she's she pulling my leg i'm

2778
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,560
like what's going on here it was i mean

2779
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:27,440
i was just in a twilight zone um

2780
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,520
and i'm like and they said well i'm what

2781
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,920
you would call an alien i'm like oh sure

2782
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:33,840
you are i'm like come on samantha what's

2783
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,320
the deal and it's like i said if you're

2784
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,040
an alien where are you oh i'm in a ship

2785
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,040
very high up i'm like oh then bring your

2786
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,560
ship down you know i'm being a smart

2787
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:44,960
aleck and it's like oh no i cannot do

2788
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,760
that because your people can shoot the

2789
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:49,040
the craft out of

2790
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,960
the sky it's like but sometimes when i'm

2791
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:52,719
low enough i can project an image of

2792
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,560
myself i'm like

2793
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,960
well what a great idea why don't you go

2794
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,560
and do that you know i'm just like

2795
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,639
pulling you know what the heck

2796
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:03,119
and lo and behold the car filled with a

2797
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,320
hum

2798
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:06,480
and this fleshy

2799
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:09,440
like blob kind of shape form between us

2800
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,960
and the seat and i'm like trying to

2801
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:12,719
squish myself out of the car like okay

2802
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:14,239
okay okay i see something i see

2803
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:15,360
something

2804
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,199
and i'm like oh but it's really out of

2805
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,960
focus and it's like well that cannot be

2806
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:21,040
helped you have weak human eyes i'm like

2807
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:24,880
oh okay an insult but uh i'm sassy too

2808
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:27,440
sassy yeah and you know i know we have

2809
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:29,040
little time so i'm trying to squeeze a

2810
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,400
lot in but it it was it was really a

2811
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:34,560
it was a profound moment

2812
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,639
my friend comes forward just like oh my

2813
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,400
god oh my god oh my god you know what

2814
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,480
what just happened here i'm like

2815
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:43,119
i saw something in the car and she

2816
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,960
didn't like reading english books very

2817
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:46,880
much we get back to our shared apartment

2818
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:49,119
she starts reading several of my ufo

2819
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,080
books and

2820
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,080
and she thought you know me i was part

2821
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:54,159
of that ufo group and she's like oh

2822
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,920
you're crazy friends she was like can i

2823
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:57,679
call them can i call them oh my god you

2824
01:50:01,669 --> 01:50:00,480
know she was just really worked up and

2825
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:01,679
um

2826
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,040
it it took us a while together to figure

2827
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:07,520
out you know was that real can you do it

2828
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,800
again and

2829
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,400
and so she's like well let me charlie

2830
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:12,560
let me try and and whenever she would go

2831
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,960
into this like meditational state that

2832
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,199
she called prayer um she just prayed

2833
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,520
that way but it was like a meditation

2834
01:50:23,830 --> 01:50:21,679
this being would

2835
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:23,840
pop up and

2836
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:27,119
not physically not projecting uh but i

2837
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:28,960
was like you know spoke about things she

2838
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,400
didn't know and and just profound and uh

2839
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,719
that's a majority of my book the secret

2840
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,400
war was based on some of those

2841
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,400
interactions and um

2842
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,080
and the the shadow people that's how i

2843
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,840
got my answers about those things i

2844
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:43,520
didn't know what i was dealing with and

2845
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:44,320
um

2846
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,119
how to get rid of them and it was just

2847
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,119
it was so much yeah it was so much fun i

2848
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:51,280
was gonna ask you you know how do you

2849
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,800
know the things that you know i mean

2850
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,320
other than the actual

2851
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:56,239
physical experience but yeah to know the

2852
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,679
backgrounds to know

2853
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:59,440
where they came from how they're working

2854
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:00,800
together

2855
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,199
yeah i i didn't um

2856
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,040
you know i wish i could take credit for

2857
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,119
it but it's it's one element that i'm

2858
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,040
more hesitant to talk about even though

2859
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,880
i have it all over the place saying this

2860
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,960
is how i came across this information

2861
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,560
but people are like what channeling

2862
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,360
aliens you know my friend would never

2863
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:19,760
ever say she was channeling because she

2864
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:21,600
just thought that was the craziest thing

2865
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:24,800
you should ever hear but but um

2866
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:27,040
turns out if people that are familiar

2867
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:29,920
with alien contact stories people go to

2868
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,000
be hypnotically regressed and they go to

2869
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:36,239
speak and sometimes the being speaks

2870
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:37,199
through

2871
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,920
them while in hypnosis sessions i mean

2872
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:41,360
this is quite

2873
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:44,400
common and and i have seen it happen by

2874
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,480
two other people too i mean just it's

2875
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,400
really it's it's not something that's so

2876
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,320
rare at the time i didn't know that i

2877
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:54,159
just know that i saw something in the

2878
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:55,199
car and

2879
01:52:00,390 --> 01:51:57,679
this being was talking through my my

2880
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,400
friend pentecostal big skirt long hair

2881
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:03,040
wearing friend who really didn't dig

2882
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:05,840
that kind of topic so just uh

2883
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,880
just wild wild stuff and um i was in

2884
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:10,639
college in a difficult

2885
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,280
study and uh i wrote my first book in

2886
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,880
the middle of school because i felt it

2887
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:17,280
was that important to get out there and

2888
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:19,599
i haven't stopped talking on this stuff

2889
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,760
ever since and uh

2890
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,599
much to my parents detriment they were

2891
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,000
like can't you write under a pen name

2892
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:28,239
i'm like dad you didn't have any sons

2893
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:32,239
i'm gonna abuse this last name i'm sorry

2894
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:33,520
that's so funny

2895
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:35,360
how do they feel about it

2896
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,520
oh you know they're

2897
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:42,080
they were we were all in a haunted house

2898
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,000
they experienced odd things they know

2899
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:46,320
this stuff is real and um

2900
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,119
as time has passed um i'm learning

2901
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:51,679
things about my dad that um

2902
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:54,639
he's had some odd things himself go on

2903
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:57,199
that he's quite aware of some things in

2904
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:58,719
regards to

2905
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,760
ufos and things and uh

2906
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,440
so it's like

2907
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,119
at first they wanted me to put a pen

2908
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:07,199
name but then they're like whatever you

2909
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,000
know

2910
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:10,080
they they understand i mean they get it

2911
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:12,320
and i think they're quite fascinated by

2912
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:14,000
it and

2913
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:16,000
it's been an interesting ride it really

2914
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:16,880
has

2915
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:18,880
and i'm i wouldn't change any of it i

2916
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:21,760
really wouldn't um because i'm able to

2917
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:24,320
be in a unique position and one of the

2918
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:25,920
number one things i enjoy doing is

2919
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,040
having people write me from everywhere

2920
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:31,119
and and to know that they can tell me as

2921
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,040
much detail as they want

2922
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:35,280
and i'll respond on my my radio show

2923
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:37,040
oftentimes for the first 30 minutes

2924
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:38,960
reading off these emails and given some

2925
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,520
honest advice i'm not a guru or a

2926
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:43,599
psychic just someone who's been there

2927
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,400
seen it experienced it and got over it

2928
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,360
and so i welcome people to go to my main

2929
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:51,520
site heidi hollis.com

2930
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:54,719
and write me at dus outlander gmail.com

2931
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:57,920
um that's dust with a d isn't david but

2932
01:54:02,470 --> 01:53:59,199
yeah because

2933
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:02,480
i mean there's help um we're you know

2934
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,360
work is being done on on trying to

2935
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,440
rid people of this evil and it can be

2936
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,360
done and um

2937
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:11,280
get a little faith it doesn't hurt it

2938
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:13,679
really doesn't alan i understand you're

2939
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,880
a catholic i mean i'm not catholic i

2940
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,719
went to all women's catholic college i'm

2941
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:20,800
not catholic i was

2942
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,960
i'm christian and

2943
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:24,880
it is what it is i'm not shy to say it

2944
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:27,119
and on my radio show i talk about it

2945
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,199
quite openly because um

2946
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:31,360
heck we're talking about demons and evil

2947
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:32,480
stuff and

2948
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,920
horrible things

2949
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,239
why can't we talk about the good without

2950
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:38,719
it being on like south park goofy or

2951
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:41,119
family guy you know

2952
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:43,360
we could talk about jesus being okay

2953
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:46,320
it's okay it's okay on i i'll accept you

2954
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:49,280
and so with jesus

2955
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:51,920
thank you my soul appreciates it

2956
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:55,910
so

2957
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,520
what i have to say i mean your sense of

2958
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,119
humor has got to be able to help you

2959
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:00,719
deal with all this stuff

2960
01:55:05,589 --> 01:55:03,199
oh yeah it honestly i

2961
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,599
i i was a i was a comic strip artist for

2962
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:07,440
crying out loud it's

2963
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:09,440
humor is my thing i put it in all my

2964
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,760
books even the hat man book i mean

2965
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:14,320
that's as dark as i've ever written

2966
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,000
and i i had to lighten it up because

2967
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:20,000
how can you how can you reach people if

2968
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:22,560
you're not dealing with these these this

2969
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:24,400
type of topic as humanly flawed as you

2970
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:26,639
would anything else and um

2971
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,080
you know some people might think you

2972
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,840
know oh you're not taking serious enough

2973
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:30,800
i'm like

2974
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:33,040
what does it help to be serious always

2975
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:34,960
about this and you know somebody

2976
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:36,560
revealed something to me just a couple

2977
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,679
of days ago that had read a book on this

2978
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:43,040
exorcist who had done over a thousand

2979
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:46,400
exorcisms imagine that and he said

2980
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:47,920
there's a few things that the these

2981
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:50,080
demons don't like they don't like to be

2982
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:51,520
laughed at

2983
01:55:56,550 --> 01:55:54,159
i said no way that's awesome and they

2984
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:56,560
don't uh they cannot read your mind

2985
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:57,760
and i'm like

2986
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,719
very cool and it's nice to know and um

2987
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,480
it's nice to know i'm ticking them off

2988
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,880
but it also is cool to know they can't

2989
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,719
read my mind about you know a lot of

2990
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:08,560
people are so fearful they're going to

2991
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,639
experience something evil again if

2992
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,719
they've seen it once and i'm like

2993
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:14,560
you know don't anticipate it don't talk

2994
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:16,639
about it leave it alone

2995
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,440
so

2996
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:19,840
um yeah i i think it's good to keep

2997
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:22,239
things light to an extent uh but to keep

2998
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,719
it serious at the same time but uh right

2999
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:26,000
and you want to lose track you don't

3000
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:27,920
want people to forget that this is

3001
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:30,080
actually a serious thing but um in order

3002
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:31,679
to deal with that seriousness yeah you

3003
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,560
have to

3004
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:34,560
define the lighter side of life

3005
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,760
yeah yep definitely

3006
01:56:41,229 --> 01:56:39,679
all right so anybody listening uh if you

3007
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:41,239
want to find out more about heidi go to

3008
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:43,760
www.heidi hollis.com heidi where else

3009
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,360
would you like them to go to to find out

3010
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,199
more about you or contact you would you

3011
01:56:53,709 --> 01:56:48,960
just mention the contact info but go

3012
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:53,719
ahead yeah uh go to the other fword.com

3013
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:57,360
ficklefinders.com paranormalpledge.com

3014
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,360
um ufo the number two the letter u.com i

3015
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,199
mean my goodness i have all the links

3016
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:05,280
off from heidi hollis.com though so you

3017
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:06,719
can go there and check everything out i

3018
01:57:10,430 --> 01:57:08,480
have a youtube channel and all this good

3019
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,440
stuff and the

3020
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:12,159
outlanderscomic.com which is getting

3021
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,280
animated right now oh yes no way some

3022
01:57:18,470 --> 01:57:17,119
some people are showing interest and

3023
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:18,480
it's on the front page of

3024
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:21,280
inceptionradionetwork.com

3025
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:22,320
um

3026
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:25,280
yes it is uh it's doing very well and

3027
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:27,520
it's it's not been out that long and

3028
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:29,440
people are just like where can i see the

3029
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:30,960
cartoon i'm like what are you talking

3030
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:33,040
about i'm not you know it's a comic

3031
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:35,840
strip but uh yeah some interest is being

3032
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,280
shown and uh

3033
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,360
it's it's getting made so check it out

3034
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:41,760
and subscribe to get uh the the newer

3035
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,800
ones and

3036
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:43,920
yeah it's getting more and more

3037
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,280
interesting i could tell you that i've

3038
01:57:50,830 --> 01:57:48,239
been working night and day on drawing

3039
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,840
lots lots and lots of drawing and

3040
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:53,920
writing well i have to ask you before

3041
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:54,719
you know

3042
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,360
our time runs out is there a way is

3043
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:59,760
there something that you can do if you

3044
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:00,880
feel like

3045
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:04,560
um someone else is being haunted

3046
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:11,189
who is not being haunted is anything you

3047
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,280
can do for somebody else

3048
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,360
well you can help them in uh blessing

3049
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:17,440
their home that's a that's a big one

3050
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:19,280
they need to take part in it it's nice

3051
01:58:22,709 --> 01:58:20,880
if everybody that lives in the house

3052
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:22,719
participates in the blessing

3053
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,880
but you can join them in the blessing

3054
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:26,960
and encouraging them and and some people

3055
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:28,800
need that little push of you know

3056
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:31,199
believe but have some faith that this

3057
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:33,599
this will work it works every time alan

3058
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:36,560
i mean honestly you bless every corner

3059
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:38,800
get every door i mean honestly there

3060
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:40,480
there's a method to it i wrote about it

3061
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:43,599
in uh this the hatman book um how to go

3062
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:45,280
through your house and

3063
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:47,599
it's it's okay you can do this you

3064
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:49,920
really can it's even with aliens

3065
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,280
anything that's negative that's in your

3066
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:53,040
house you don't want there you can get

3067
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:54,800
rid of it and i have no doubts you

3068
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:56,320
really can

3069
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,880
get some faith back people

3070
01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:00,480
get it back because

3071
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:02,480
you know even if santa claus feels

3072
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:04,560
depleted where his sleigh won't won't

3073
01:59:08,870 --> 01:59:07,199
ride because children don't believe well

3074
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:08,880
how do you think god feels if we're

3075
01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:11,760
dropping our faith it's it's really sad

3076
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:14,080
and uh the negativity is growing out of

3077
01:59:18,870 --> 01:59:16,719
control you could take a peek in chicago

3078
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:18,880
and the statistics of murder and tell me

3079
01:59:22,470 --> 01:59:20,880
negativity isn't running rampant we got

3080
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,480
to change it

3081
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,320
have you are you a fan of twin peaks

3082
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:26,880
have you been watching the new series

3083
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:29,040
you know what i i need to i need to

3084
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:31,119
watch it but no i haven't seen it so is

3085
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:32,400
it good

3086
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:34,000
okay i'm gonna watch it if you're if

3087
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:35,920
you're in if you if you can handle david

3088
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:38,400
lynch style yes it's awesome yeah

3089
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:40,000
yeah yeah it's it's one of the most

3090
01:59:44,629 --> 01:59:41,520
strange things but one of the one of the

3091
01:59:47,510 --> 01:59:44,639
words that um some other evil characters

3092
01:59:48,470 --> 01:59:47,520
uh you know from the black lodge use is

3093
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:48,480
um

3094
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:53,040
uh garman bosia and essentially it is

3095
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:54,560
pain and suffering and that's what

3096
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:56,639
they're trying to feed off of

3097
02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:59,440
pain and suffering uh pain and sorrow

3098
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:00,880
and it just reminded me of the hat

3099
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:03,119
people and the tall man and and i wonder

3100
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:04,960
if you know

3101
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:06,800
shadow people yeah

3102
02:00:12,629 --> 02:00:10,080
yeah by by going after by seeking

3103
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:12,639
to drain energy from other people's pain

3104
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:14,639
and sorrow it's it's a way of

3105
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,800
feeling empowered themselves

3106
02:00:20,629 --> 02:00:18,800
yeah it's it seems like such a petty

3107
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:20,639
thing why would something go work so

3108
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:22,560
hard for that i'm like well why did

3109
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:24,960
explorers come to this country they they

3110
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:27,199
wanted the land they wanted the power

3111
02:00:32,149 --> 02:00:29,280
why did they dominate and put others in

3112
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:32,159
slavery that you know it's a rather

3113
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:35,040
basic need that beings seem to have

3114
02:00:38,390 --> 02:00:36,880
because they keep doing it to each other

3115
02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:38,400
so why would these beings not be any

3116
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:40,000
better just because they write a a

3117
02:00:44,149 --> 02:00:41,760
fancier ship

3118
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:44,159
i mean aliens and shadow people i'm

3119
02:00:49,189 --> 02:00:46,159
saying i'm i group them because evil is

3120
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,199
evil and uh and they all respond to in

3121
02:00:53,750 --> 02:00:51,599
jesus name leave what what is that what

3122
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:53,760
are we talking about i hate to say you

3123
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:55,679
know i used to be so like oh the church

3124
02:00:59,669 --> 02:00:57,760
is wrong these aren't demons they're not

3125
02:01:01,589 --> 02:00:59,679
all demons no there are some really

3126
02:01:03,830 --> 02:01:01,599
really good beings out there that's okay

3127
02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:03,840
well let's let's leave it on that yeah

3128
02:01:06,470 --> 02:01:05,199
let's leave it on that note because the

3129
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:06,480
clock is ticking we're almost out of

3130
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:08,400
time and heidi i want to thank you so

3131
02:01:11,350 --> 02:01:09,840
much for coming on i really appreciate

3132
02:01:13,109 --> 02:01:11,360
it i'm glad we can thank you have our